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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Towards a cleaner build
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 08:33:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvy3352rkk.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM-tV--a0L=t42b_wXu7XaZx6ALb0JbwPodrhpJebswS6ZawKQ@mail.gmail.com> (Noam Postavsky's message of "Fri, 17 May 2019 07:25:01 -0400")

> This makes sense, but it should come for free. There's never any point
> in issuing a warning about not using the advertised calling convention
> from inside the function itself. Similarly, we shouldn't issue
> warnings about calls to obsolete functions from bodies of functions
> that are themselves obsolete.

I generally agree, but there's a tension: this kind of reasoning can be
pushed pretty far and the amount of coding involved can be hard to
justify.  So there's also something to be said for leaving the
implementation dumb and asking the coder to add a few more
with-(no|fewer|suppressed)-warnings.

IOW whether it's worth the effort depends on the amount of complexity
needed in the compiler and the number of false-positives it eliminates
(and potentially the number of false-negatives it adds, tho this is
rarely a problem).


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-05-17 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 300+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-17  2:15 Towards a cleaner build Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  2:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 18:38   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-17  2:50 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  8:33   ` Towards a cleaner build: epa-mail Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  3:01 ` Towards a cleaner build Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  4:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-17  4:21     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  3:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  4:18   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-17  4:29     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  5:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17  6:12         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  6:38           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  8:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 10:05             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 11:25               ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17 11:34                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 12:31                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 12:39                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 13:32                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 13:41                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 14:07                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 14:37                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-27 23:03                               ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-28  9:49                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-28 11:22                                   ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-28 11:26                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-28 11:36                                       ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-28 11:39                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-28 12:29                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-28 15:07                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-28 15:11                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-28 18:44                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-29 11:19                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-28 20:43                                               ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-28 21:16                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-29 11:17                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-29 15:48                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-29 23:12                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 13:48                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 14:53                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 15:02                                                         ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-09 15:50                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 18:33                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-09 19:12                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 20:09                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-11 14:53                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-12 14:01                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-12 16:37                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-12 22:07                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-13  0:06                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13  7:57                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-13 12:04                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 12:09                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 12:44                                                                                 ` Towards a cleaner build: rmailmm Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 22:15                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14  7:23                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-14  9:57                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 11:45                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 13:40                                                                                 ` Towards a cleaner build: eieio Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 16:13                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 12:11                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 13:52                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 14:06                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 19:13                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-15 12:46                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 14:04                                                                                               ` Towards a cleaner build: bindat Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 14:22                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-15 14:34                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 14:50                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 14:56                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-15 15:28                                                                                                         ` Towards a cleaner build: feedmail Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 15:30                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-15 15:42                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 16:11                                                                                                               ` Towards a cleaner build: tags Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 16:33                                                                                                                 ` Towards a cleaner build: srecode/insert Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16 14:19                                                                                                                   ` Eric Ludlam
2019-06-16 14:25                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16  0:30                                                                                                                 ` Towards a cleaner build: tags Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-16 13:20                                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16 14:45                                                                                                                     ` Towards a cleaner build: select.el Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16 15:31                                                                                                                       ` Towards a cleaner build: calc.el Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16 15:55                                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16 16:23                                                                                                                           ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-16 17:03                                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16 17:28                                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16 21:51                                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-16 22:00                                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 10:47                                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 11:03                                                                                                                               ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-06-16 16:19                                                                                                                       ` Towards a cleaner build: select.el Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-16 16:43                                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18 13:44                                                                                                                     ` Towards a cleaner build: tags Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-19 13:18                                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 12:00                                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 12:02                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-20 12:08                                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 12:04                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-20 12:09                                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 16:31                                                                                               ` Towards a cleaner build: eieio Stefan Monnier
2019-06-16 12:36                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16 16:41                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-16 22:39                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-16 22:44                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17  1:03                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-17  9:40                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17  9:51                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 10:53                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 10:58                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 13:50                                                                                 ` Towards a cleaner build: ieieo Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 16:16                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 12:13                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 19:49                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-15 12:38                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 15:54                                                                                 ` string-to-multibyte and string-make-*byte (was: Towards a cleaner build) Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 12:33                                                                                   ` string-to-multibyte and string-make-*byte Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 12:08                                                                           ` Towards a cleaner build: pcomplete Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 13:23                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-17 13:30                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 14:05                                                                               ` Towards a cleaner build: other output Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 16:04                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-06-17 17:11                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-18  3:01                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-06-18  9:49                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18 12:30                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-19  2:06                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-06-17 19:48                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 19:56                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 20:27                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 20:29                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 22:48                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-17 23:02                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-17 23:08                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-17 23:27                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18  4:04                                                                                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-18 12:28                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-18 12:35                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18 12:42                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-18 13:36                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18 14:05                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-19 12:53                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-19 13:33                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-20 11:40                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 12:02                                                                                                           ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-20 12:09                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 13:08                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-20 13:31                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 13:23                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-20 14:19                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 18:55                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-21 10:44                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-21 14:35                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-20 12:24                                                                                                           ` Towards a cleaner build: done! Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-20 13:22                                                                                                             ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-20 13:31                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-22  8:37                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-25 21:12                                                                                                             ` Arash Esbati
2019-06-25 21:25                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18 15:41                                                                                           ` Towards a cleaner build: other output Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-17 22:40                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-17 22:53                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18  9:56                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18 12:11                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-18 13:38                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18 14:00                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-18 14:09                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-18 14:15                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-12 23:21                                                                       ` Towards a cleaner build: viper-ex Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-12 23:35                                                                         ` Towards a cleaner build: project.el Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-12 23:55                                                                           ` Towards a cleaner build: obsolete/cl-compat.el Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13  0:04                                                                           ` Towards a cleaner build: erc.el Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13  0:18                                                                             ` Towards a cleaner build: calendar Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13  1:38                                                                               ` Towards a cleaner build: cedet Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 14:44                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 15:46                                                                                   ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-13 15:56                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 16:15                                                                                       ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-13 16:19                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 15:10                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 16:23                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 16:35                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 12:16                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 13:54                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 14:10                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 19:16                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-15 12:46                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 12:27                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 13:22                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 19:51                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 20:05                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-15 12:41                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 13:05                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-15 16:05                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-15 20:14                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-15 22:58                                                                                   ` Eric Ludlam
2019-06-16 12:34                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 14:30                                                                               ` Towards a cleaner build: calendar Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-14 16:05                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-15 12:31                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13  0:27                                                                             ` Towards a cleaner build: disass.el Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13  3:43                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-13 11:57                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 16:23                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-13 16:21                                                                             ` Towards a cleaner build: erc.el Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 11:49                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 12:55                                                                           ` Towards a cleaner build: project.el Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-13 12:58                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 13:10                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-13 13:24                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 16:30                                                                                   ` Towards a cleaner build: byte-run.el Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 20:55                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 11:24                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13  3:41                                                                         ` Towards a cleaner build: viper-ex Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-13 12:00                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 12:46                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-13 12:47                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 12:51                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-13 12:52                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-13 12:54                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-13 15:21                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-09 23:01                                                                 ` Towards a cleaner build Stefan Monnier
2019-06-10  8:44                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-10 13:36                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-09 17:26                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2019-06-09 15:31                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-09 15:40                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 16:15                                                         ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-09 16:24                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 16:28                                                             ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-09 16:44                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 18:24                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-09 19:08                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 22:57                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-09 16:31                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 16:42                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-06-09 18:18                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-28 12:00                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-17 16:13                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-18  5:02                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18 12:43                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-18  5:18                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 11:40                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 12:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-18  6:45                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 12:06                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 12:33                 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
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2019-05-17  3:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  8:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 10:24     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 11:43       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17  3:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  8:31   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 10:13     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  5:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17  5:52   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17  8:33     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 10:19       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 11:41         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 11:49           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 13:06           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-17 10:35 ` Towards a cleaner build: arc-mode Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 12:01   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18  3:56     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  4:04       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  5:39         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18  6:04           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  7:50             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18  8:02               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  6:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18 12:59       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-18 13:17         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  4:21     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  4:31       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  6:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18  4:36     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  5:57       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18  6:00         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-19 16:36           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-19 17:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 10:41 ` Towards a cleaner build: ehelp Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 13:01   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-18  4:41     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 12:45 ` Towards a cleaner build: hexl Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 12:49   ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17 13:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18  5:07     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-17 16:23   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-18  4:39     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  5:32 ` Towards a cleaner build: custom Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  5:34 ` Towards a cleaner build: frameset Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18 12:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-28  9:50     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-28 13:06       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-28 13:22         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-28 13:27           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-18  8:42 ` Towards a cleaner build: epa-file Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-18  9:13   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18  9:17     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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