From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 12:19:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> <87wo13q9d2.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29163"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp , Gregory Heytings , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 18:25:45 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kG2um-0007SF-WF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:25:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42210 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG2ul-0007I2-Na for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 12:25:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56036) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG2oW-0006sS-FO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 12:19:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:40816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG2oU-00076I-6E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 12:19:15 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1E1D3809C7; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 7AD2D8025A; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:19:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1599668351; bh=Rgpl2USLJpWRr7f+hwd/RKR0L3FRr7KGjvLN6FKR2D0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Pu/7P86VpO4DJ+9K+6ne7AS3l0aUK/Ap0H0Vbbpdm4XGoTEuIPXknejn6/k+qQBjN iyKGLuiPo2NCjR7czC5nFYt3uK+m4s88SYSQdRkwKKXcnWOQPtsQVLMqcQyqvKqqjs u/hrQ/0WmsplzkG5Ngv3OG6ZjGykfyOxQhEIOhW1lasrGwGTJHSOhU3mfNRkX+zdUs /SIsY3q9YUdzwYVT86oF8acEafcIH5dH3HA3J13/3TcIkvMjAnN5/dN91Vdi/FJqGQ fjf5jyvreO++5g9eblEsU/roIqbBVezJX5CDDvOmczNnWo75ifyiMbzgxI4lwOtEup HEEdq6rQQqCEg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.232.131]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E7E7120786; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:19:11 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings via's message of "Wed, 09 Sep 2020 15:44:24 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/09 11:10:42 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254899 Archived-At: > Emacs a try, as we all do from time to time for programs we don't know, > expecting that they would first watch videos (or to read introductory > material) sets the bar way too high. Yes and no: many (young) people seem to spend most of their time watching videos (as in, watching videos is their equivalent to my being idle). But admittedly, those videos usually last 10s or so (and if not, they switch to the next video anyway), so we'd have to use *very* short videos, ideally funny and sexy, maybe with a cat? Stefan