From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200926163008.GS1349@protected.rcdrun.com> <83blhc7f4x.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27470"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: bobnewell@bobnewell.net, rms@gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, ghe@sdf.org, Daniel =?windows-1252?Q?Mart=EDn?= To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 08 23:58:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kQdve-00071J-0z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 23:58:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35952 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQdvd-00039y-2R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:58:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60994) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQduZ-0002hJ-Eq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:57:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:20947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQduX-0000ct-4r; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:57:18 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CE655100275; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 978C5100096; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:57:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1602194233; bh=nWCbK6Flm+3Z3A7HyJuyzdOeJ/DJYWDENQE0AX2OpxQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=D0FkkEsoO2G4AjPUUFtQHYyz187Ks+SyZbGDC3yLsU1N6Ax6v6g/3sA7wFga52l2/ zLbiruUaxmp1BGb7pXdaNuBseL7yWjsuYZxZFC88690ENOJUxZvjrlD+HI7P4HNbyD cJphO0RzgLyqf2ZvaoGUvM9GeQNB5ALjALKzEtZ5THONj8i/jln7GcldL2Qevpjyum +zb9UbzIdpmGpSGhLvG6rBDFPqTSXbFqdwt02g6/5QoEG8sTuZwdpj3YcEgztdOb28 bSQuiN53YxiZJAdLlKhVkdOs0bw2vKSXqR6jjLpLGFdW5Pjv91iB39u6u9kHYqlmBt nBfT6XndNHEZQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3DD3412022E; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:57:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83blhc7f4x.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 08 Oct 2020 21:21:18 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/08 17:57:15 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257229 Archived-At: >> We could add a "View in Manual" button in Help buffers if info-lookup >> says that the symbol is in the Emacs Lisp Info index. Yes, it should be fairly easy to do using the `help-fns-describe-*-functions` hooks. > For interactive functions (a.k.a. "commands"), there's an ambiguity > here: should the link lead to the Emacs user manual or to the Emacs > Lisp Reference manual? We could show both, but that could confuse > users (as opposed to Lisp programmers). I think something like: Also documented in the >Emacs user's manual<. Also documented in the >ELisp programmer's reference<. should be clear enough (where >...< is meant to delimit the hyperlink). Stefan