From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:57:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20210213141225.11309.86562@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <83y2fq9f0v.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0r8xl7y.fsf@gnus.org> <834kic9g0a.fsf@gnu.org> <8735xwvusc.fsf@gnus.org> <83v9as7xns.fsf@gnu.org> <87pn10ueld.fsf@gnus.org> <83r1lf9apm.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6s3vrnd.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8gj9a8o.fsf@gnu.org> <871rdfvq86.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7mb98g8.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8gjuaez.fsf@gnus.org> <83ft1v97bk.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn7u7wq.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2r94zw.fsf@gnu.org> <831rdf91r1.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft1vsmf5.fsf@gnus.org> <664f975c-9770-6d58-28be-d1bc8cd6bca5@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25284"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Dmitry Gutov To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 14:58:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lCNLp-0006TI-2M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 14:58:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41616 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCNLo-0003gP-4c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:58:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCNL7-0003Go-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:58:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:18725) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCNL4-00037U-UF; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:58:00 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id F018610020E; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:57:56 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 96F48100018; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:57:54 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1613570274; bh=OiPKLXanhH63UayCZ27ddZ/De+MwF6Fe6OsmzxA+tEk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=AUK1Njqrv4ItY4JKnVPmfz5cz0Bwd21XGJD2zeo55iojvSqy8exKCp32s6n66kLt/ 4QUtlruhEcTdSUoB6rtsUFmEENEV0WXubAHqlIp3zoByBoca0bZZ8U4vQj367oVdpS FaBZiVrj6Mj4Kaad9hLvG57Y52u0xpxIw1zlwUeaAkpg2oZAPxWedGPZQB9HPPRHgE FaTv6GgvIgRUa/tMOW3OuGwwmzMs7ogNlyLEkn5Ui18tN3smuJ8lFM0MBTnVEBGPZv jGsMy+2HWyHq/X754PeOeXValgEy+x7RcOrqUCsCfWCfIdJBcHY1mothJt1wD3F98x om43t3wTGF76A== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.41.47]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F6D2120387; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:57:54 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 17 Feb 2021 00:50:55 -0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264998 Archived-At: >>> And again, I don't see what makes extending `interactive' so special >>> here. We introduce new things in Emacs Lisp all the time when we think >>> that that improves the language. >> You're extending it in an incompatible way, one that most third-party >> code won't be able to make use of for years to come. > I don't think the second half of this sentence is correct. Please see > my compatibility macro `future-interactive' posted to this list. Side note: IIUC this macro relies on "eager macroexpansion", so there are corner cases where it won't work. I don't think these matter very much in practice, unless maybe ... have you checked that it works correctly with Edebug? Stefan