From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 17:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <877dgdw347.fsf@gnus.org> <812a3de4-b877-4d12-a23c-9851f369a8e8@www.fastmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35540"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: "Emacs Devel" To: "Bozhidar Batsov" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 24 23:44:50 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mIeDy-000926-Ci for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2021 23:44:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33030 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mIeDw-0007H0-C8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2021 17:44:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58838) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mIeDQ-0006bP-5i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2021 17:44:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:37121) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mIeDN-0003Wh-7q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2021 17:44:14 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CC9F7440F63; Tue, 24 Aug 2021 17:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6A808440FC6; Tue, 24 Aug 2021 17:33:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1629840789; bh=3RIYkRFQOyGNWrFMuGRXIXhSmvQi3J4qAOEWTP4c8Po=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=AXe+mUdYbVvLCkB+bQn70x/rTpxug3PL1UEywSBsEcnGRxR0t06eZags2aSZTF309 XQ244aWnKPUm27MDf/Bphp91VPwNqNQj6ONkxozdNHEEpfHfL84NmRCjCBWJNo3+Lu LEve2xxQkYpPILiPIwCVlFlAt6sfSpVYFYdzjr1wiJUt0JO6TIicJ3KS8O66qxvTCz e1sxDr8/NUGZ6cdaR7FAX0NyajBDfkbk/Ol28GW2mAUsQXPKyMvy3U/n0BbHSp4mPy bn1ZDCM0uu9d73vIPgAk611zxPnuHiZGxf96i7a7cFgMjer2xiH1Nwjx+1gHiyVlH2 xi6qVC0TGrA2g== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [104.247.244.135]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3FFA712043F; Tue, 24 Aug 2021 17:33:09 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <812a3de4-b877-4d12-a23c-9851f369a8e8@www.fastmail.com> (Bozhidar Batsov's message of "Mon, 23 Aug 2021 08:16:08 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272926 Archived-At: >> But I don't think we can change the C-c etc bindings for those >> that enable winner-mode explicitly -- I think that's likely to be very >> annoying for those users. We can expose winner commands by default under some appropriate key-binding without it affecting the result of people who enable `winner-mode`. Basically `winner-mode` would then just be a backward compatibility minor mode that provides the feature under the old key-bindings. > I also think it's a bad idea to change some keybindings, especially if we > know that some people like them and have been using them for ages. (I've > gotten plenty of bad feedback for the users of my Emacs packages for doing > such changes in the past) Changes to keybindings are considered breaking > changes by many people and those should be avoided. We try to keep the "old way" working or provide a one-liner recovering the "old way", indeed. That doesn't prevent changes (nor does it prevent complaints, admittedly, since you can't satisfy everyone every time). Stefan