From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: pkg-autoloads.el vs. pkg-loaddefs.el Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:43:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y1adrria.fsf@localhost> <87o77zbs4j.fsf@localhost> <871q4us0l9.fsf@localhost> <87msniqhel.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10385"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 18 21:44:18 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sJekc-0002VL-8w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 21:44:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sJekQ-0007hX-U6; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:44:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sJekP-0007gV-SP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:44:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sJekO-0003iH-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:44:05 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id F25E2100043; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:44:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1718739841; bh=pKAVKX4xG6gAyFunowvEErvuaefVQWZhvLmYgdZhYgE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=lgs8RWg8UwuFAe9inw6/zZiMakRFvFvPu2KsrG5FR9kZRiAQxypCyKX6M2fR7HYOG yMiqZQCCyBF74YG0iycYZAHhFsfbLA7J0g74mb5HcmAlLGcpBXhnCViiwXCXzQ+qX5 Z7LojpemZDrSOhg6F5uACFXZcyZNSOfBwchlqRlBH/4eDVzMkyNUSYKf+cF8CIdl+v DChDhICTh8W+yY8qXaewRC72vWfrstb6w3cCTvz/QVRUX/WSDjcJt+WKvkUCMT+fzL 7PmWcOuvI+H1FhlMn4J4m6LXyZxx0oZ/G5fAfBh+wzG77SbhsD6BaojVFvzk4vG1Y7 0WgMYzoF0rgXA== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 0F739100035; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from lechazo (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02AA9120185; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:44:01 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87msniqhel.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Tue, 18 Jun 2024 17:39:46 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320271 Archived-At: >>> AFAIU, `package-activate' (and thus `package-activate-all') calls >>> (package-activate-1 pkg-desc nil 'deps). >> The reasoning is that this won't be called after some `org*.el` files >> have already been loaded. > I have seen configs with package-activate-all being not the first thing > in the config. > Some configs even do package loading in early-init. I currently consider these cases to be "the user's mistake". Maybe we should provide some alternative for "late activation" which does pass the `reload` argument? We don't do that by default in an effort to try and keep startup time under control and also because reloading is a hack which works only partly and can even have unpredictable effects, so it's really much better to try and avoid it in the first place. Stefan