From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:35:34 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098718623 10585 80.91.229.6 (25 Oct 2004 15:37:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 25 17:36:51 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CM6tv-0007zA-00 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:36:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CM71Z-0006kY-OT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:44:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CM71S-0006kH-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:44:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CM71R-0006k5-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:44:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CM71R-0006k2-5m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:44:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [132.204.24.67] (helo=mercure.iro.umontreal.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CM6tU-0005jl-Uq; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:36:25 -0400 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8F08282DC; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from asado.iro.umontreal.ca (asado.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.24.84]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D604AC0A6; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by asado.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7D07E8CA23; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: (David Kastrup's message of "Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:18:46 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=0, requis 5) X-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28925 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28925 > If the time stamps for the clicks indeed come from the X server, then > Kim's timed scheme would probably not be very susceptible to system > load/traffic congestion effects. The problm with it is that it goes against what we're trying to do, which is to get Emacs's UI in line with "what non-Emacs users expect". I.e. such users will just do a simple click and expect it to follow the link. Adding a message saying "please keep the button pressed longer if you want to follow the link" is really not much better than adding a message that says "use mouse-2 if you want to follow the link". And if you add to the equation the extra code and conceptual complexity of using timing-dependent information, I find it ends up a loser. > After all, we have the same problem with recognizing double-clicks. Sure. But users have wanted double-clicks, so we gave it to them. Users's aren't asking for variable-duration clicks. OTOH users are quite used to not being able to move cursor into a link by just left-clicking on it. It may annoy them at times, but it seems to annoy them less than having to use mouse-2. Stefan