From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please don't obsolete "crisp.el" Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1404849936 8918 80.91.229.3 (8 Jul 2014 20:05:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 20:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Luke Lee , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 08 22:05:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X4bdh-0007WR-9i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 22:05:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57779 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4bdg-0002g2-BX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:05:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47289) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4bdU-0002el-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:05:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4bdN-0001PY-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:05:08 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:31946) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X4bdM-0001PU-Ts; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:05:00 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNLd+D9/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kLYdXCNIZF456B4Q4BKkZgWqDTCE X-IPAS-Result: ArUGAIDvNVNLd+D9/2dsb2JhbABZgwaDSsA9gRcXdIIlAQEBAQIBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kLYdXCNIZF456B4Q4BKkZgWqDTCE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,753,1389762000"; d="scan'208";a="76901415" Original-Received: from 75-119-224-253.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.224.253]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 08 Jul 2014 16:04:59 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C4CC560337; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:04:59 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 08 Jul 2014 14:42:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:172904 Archived-At: > In Emacs trunk, just remove crisp.el with a ChangeLog note something > like "move to GNU ELPA". Change etc/NEWS: add a new section after > "Obsolete packages" for "Packages moved to GNU ELPA" and move crisp.el > from obsolete to there. > As to getting it into GNU ELPA; yes install the version that was in > Emacs trunk (remove the "Obsolete-Since" header and add any needed > package headers). Do that before making any code changes. I think the above is OK for landmark.el (given that it probably has 0 users), but for something like crisp.el, it's probably better to transition more slowly, e.g. with a release of two where it's both in `obsolete' and in GNU ELPA. Also it's good to add a Version: header to the bundled version, in case the user also installed it from GNU ELPA (so package.el can know which of the two is more recent). > But it would be good to preserve the VCS history of the file, if possible. I don't think that's practical (maybe some VCS will support this well at some point, but currently I think it'd be too much hassle for too little benefit). Stefan