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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, p.stephani2@gmail.com, yyoncho@gmail.com,
	alexanderm@web.de, eliz@gnu.org,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about throw-on-input
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 23:54:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvwo5dlv33.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1jZQuf-0000Ke-Bf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 14 May 2020 23:21:29 -0400")

> An editor buffer is global mutable state.  Global mutable state is at
> the heart of GNU Emacs, and I disagree with the idea that we should
> try to get away from it.  That is a non-goal.

But the goal talked about here is concurrency.  Concurrency is not
incompatible with global state, but it's incompatible with global state
accessed from anywhere without any way to control it.

The problem, as I see it, is that we could imagine binding threads to
buffers such that a buffer can only be accessed by a single thread at
a time.

That would be reasonably easy to implement, I think, by putting a lock
on buffer objects (since there are fairly few ways to access a buffer:
you almost always have to make it current first).  But the buffer's
local variables can contain data such as hash-tables or cons-cells which
can be shared between various buffers, and that is a lot harder to
control because we don't want to put a lock on every cons cell.

Maybe we could have a notion of "buffer-local data/heap" and "global
read-only data/heap" or something like that and some way make sure that
a thread only operates of buffer-local data and global read-only data,
in which case it can indeed safely run concurrently with other Elisp
code operating in other buffers.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-15  3:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-10 13:47 Questions about throw-on-input Alexander Miller
2020-05-11 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-11 15:21   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11 16:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-11 17:27       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11 17:39         ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-11 18:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-11 18:24           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11 19:48             ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-11 20:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-12 22:33                 ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-13 14:43                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-13 18:47                     ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-14  8:32                     ` Philipp Stephani
2020-05-14 14:23                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-14 14:37                         ` Philipp Stephani
2020-05-14 16:56                       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-15  3:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:54                           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2020-05-15  8:19                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-15 15:45                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 16:46                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-15 17:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 17:50                                     ` yyoncho
2020-05-15 18:44                                       ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-15 18:55                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 19:46                                         ` Philipp Stephani
2020-05-15 18:00                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-15 17:35                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-15 19:47                                 ` chad
2020-05-16 11:29                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-12  2:39           ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-12 14:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-11 18:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-09 13:09 Alexander Miller
2020-05-10 11:11 ` yyoncho
2020-05-07  7:31 Ivan Yonchovski
2020-05-07 12:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-07 14:28   ` Ivan Yonchovski
2020-05-07 21:11   ` yyoncho
2020-05-08  1:58     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  4:36       ` yyoncho
2020-05-08  4:43         ` yyoncho
2020-05-12  4:15       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-05-08 10:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 11:23       ` Ivan Yonchovski
2020-05-08 11:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 11:55           ` yyoncho
2020-05-08 14:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08 18:04           ` yyoncho
2020-05-07 13:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 15:36   ` Ivan Yonchovski

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