From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Confused by y-or-n-p Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2021 12:22:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <834kkcr1eo.fsf@gnu.org> <83bleinmse.fsf@gnu.org> <56435592-d2d0-5fb6-977f-01e1931da835@gmx.at> <87k0t38g1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czyvkts6.fsf@gnu.org> <87bleetirr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2hhri3n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pn2tkfg8.fsf@gnu.org> <871rf7ippu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a6trg6mc.fsf@gnu.org> <87im8f951f.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfdacapo.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39807"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 04 18:23:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kwTZd-000AFT-Us for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 18:23:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56434 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kwTZc-0003U5-TW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 12:23:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58878) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kwTVx-0008O7-3b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 12:19:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:58485) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kwTVv-0003N4-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 12:19:28 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1C5AF10025D; Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:19:26 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5A48B1000F4; Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:19:24 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1609780764; bh=qfDNUZtahi8zjwcOj0DPb6Q7kOMpMjjXKcNJnlHkEuk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=PNyGQeaQiq7JqT7BoBDIkG5zGBdxEsso7TyOkUsffr3VrhvRVyqPtSOTV/S+rivUj ffPGvMOT4zFMw9Jt7zKYbhdYoq+Bi3V8HKBvfR2AiM5+id4Rc9OMxQICD3Ow8nYGuZ Go5m1YKBr+HSLch4ecf1D3chGrPiNQ/Wk+/0zp5KGeXhJSYfSu3uA8eS5PR/YSMfnu QQOYY1+lhkS1MSir+1MHKyFbZbd1KPEJ7e9CmskgXwDpjCiouE61dZfjDh5c6WVrCn rqe2NKsWwJuYl8+RaoF5qGgPqFgSw+fDjrw9Pmc7oVJw/gUqsb7OiJxBKigwW6H/zg uDIKxlIEhnqQw== Original-Received: from lechazo (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 130531202FF; Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:19:24 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings's message of "Mon, 04 Jan 2021 10:28:40 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262452 Archived-At: > I agree with you, but I think you are missing Richard's main point: any > significant UI change should either require setting a variable, or provide > a way to disable the new behavior / re-enable to old behavior. I don't think that was Richard's point: we always go to great lengths to make it possible to get back the old behavior (even for changes where the impact is quite minor). E.g. with respect to `y-or-n-p`, I think we already all agree that there should be a way to recover the previous "modal" behavior. We just need someone to implement it (ideally while still preserving the improvement of the new minibuffer-based code). Stefan