From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Merging native-comp and pgtk
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:24:19 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvwnvc85os.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <834kige2m8.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 13 Feb 2021 11:30:39 +0200")
>> So now I'm wondering: what do you think should be the criteria for
>> inclusion into `master`?
> In general?
No, I meant specifically (tho it's of course based on a general
principles, but these can change from case to case).
>> As written above, I thought the plan was to include those as
>> experimental features for Emacs-28.1
> IMO, it makes little sense having these features as experimental in
> Emacs 28.1, because that would mean their promotion to mainstream
> would be delayed till Emacs 29, and that's too far away for such
> important features. I think we should release them in Emacs 28.1 as
> fully supported ones. Yes, that could delay Emacs 28.1 a bit, but I
> think users will want these two features badly enough to justify such
> a delay (if it indeed happens).
Great, that clarifies part of the plan. It also means it's that much
more important to merge them soon into `master`.
>> so I thought the criteria were
>> going to be something like:
>> - Code is clean enough: doesn't risk introducing regressions into the rest
>> of the code.
>> - It's very likely that the feature will reach maturity (i.e. lose
>> the "experimental" label) in some not too distant future.
>> - It's already usable enough that most people who're looking forward to
>> this feature will be fairly satisfied if they try it (it might still
>> have some rough edges, but by and large it works).
>
> I'm not sure we want to codify the criteria, not in general, anyway.
I'm sure we don't.
I was just drawing general lines that might apply to these two cases, to
clarify what I'm trying to find out.
>> Leaving a feature waiting on a branch for extended period of time
>> imposes a lot of extra work to keep it up to date (and it can very
>> discouraging to have to do that if there's no clear set of "things
>> missing").
> I agree with the principle, but its short summary is "as soon as
> possible", not "urgently". We should, of course, merge each of these
> branches as soon as they are ready.
What is still unclear for me is what it is that's still "missing".
Stefan
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2021-02-04 20:49 "Fix" sag scaling for hidpi Yuan Fu
2021-02-04 22:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-04 23:10 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-05 9:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-05 10:24 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-06 10:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-06 11:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-06 11:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-06 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-07 12:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-07 13:14 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-09 20:01 ` Alan Third
2021-02-10 8:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 18:00 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-10 18:07 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-10 18:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 18:24 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-10 18:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 18:52 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-11 13:53 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 14:30 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-11 15:11 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 22:18 ` Cleaning out old X11 toolkits? chad
2021-02-12 7:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 8:44 ` Colin Baxter
2021-02-12 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 9:30 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 9:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 10:00 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 10:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 10:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 10:18 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 10:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-12 21:49 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 22:03 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 22:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-13 7:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 12:05 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-12 11:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 11:38 ` tomas
2021-02-12 13:26 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 13:57 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-15 16:49 ` Sean Whitton
2021-02-12 11:47 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-12 10:00 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-12 10:14 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 17:56 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-12 18:14 ` Merging native-comp and pgtk Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 22:29 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-12 23:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-12 23:28 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 9:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 13:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 14:10 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 14:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 14:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 15:48 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 8:34 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 9:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 13:07 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 18:01 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 18:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 7:33 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-14 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 9:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-13 12:45 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-16 23:22 ` Phillip Lord
2021-02-17 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 17:32 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-17 18:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 22:20 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-17 22:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-17 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 23:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 13:24 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-02-13 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 21:47 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-13 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 11:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 11:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-02-13 11:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 12:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 14:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 20:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 21:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 21:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 21:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 22:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 23:44 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-02-13 17:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 18:36 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-14 19:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-14 19:32 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-14 23:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-15 14:15 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-13 13:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 14:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 20:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 4:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-13 14:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-14 18:34 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-14 7:42 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-12 18:32 ` Cleaning out old X11 toolkits? Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 9:01 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 9:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 10:29 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-14 12:50 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-14 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-15 9:48 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-15 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-15 16:02 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-15 16:13 ` tomas
2021-02-15 17:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-15 17:20 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-12 13:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-12 17:56 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-12 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 20:09 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-12 20:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 9:02 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 9:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-13 10:29 ` Colin Baxter
2021-02-13 13:24 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 13:53 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-13 15:49 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 19:23 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-14 8:35 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-14 9:33 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-14 17:16 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-14 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 18:18 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-14 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 22:33 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-02-15 8:17 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-15 9:19 ` Andy Moreton
2021-02-13 14:39 ` Colin Baxter
2021-02-13 14:43 ` Jean Louis
2021-02-13 15:50 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-13 16:04 ` Colin Baxter
2021-02-13 21:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-14 12:41 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-14 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-14 18:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-14 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-12 11:20 ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-02-12 13:33 ` James Cloos
2021-02-12 13:49 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-10 19:19 ` "Fix" sag scaling for hidpi Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 14:01 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-11 14:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-11 15:16 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-10 23:55 ` Alan Third
2021-02-11 2:01 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-11 17:34 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-11 20:18 ` Alan Third
2021-02-12 22:47 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 11:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 11:17 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 11:52 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 12:54 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 13:09 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 15:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 16:00 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 23:30 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 20:09 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-13 21:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 22:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-13 23:14 ` Alan Third
2021-02-14 0:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 2:06 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-14 2:09 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-14 12:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-02-14 9:58 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 15:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 15:59 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 21:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 21:53 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 21:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 22:13 ` Alan Third
2021-02-13 18:29 ` chad
2021-02-13 19:52 ` chad
2021-02-13 20:06 ` Yuan Fu
2021-02-13 21:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-13 23:20 ` Alan Third
2021-02-09 17:26 ` Grzegorz Kowzan
2021-02-05 20:29 ` Alan Third
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