From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Always-true predicate? Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <875z2qoqc6.fsf@gnus.org> <87eehcsal4.fsf@gmail.com> <83zh002zjm.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0r42nca.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfbkrx9r.fsf@gnus.org> <87wnv2q51p.fsf@gnus.org> <87sg5qq4y4.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30270"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , rpluim@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 20 15:04:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSrc-0007lJ-3U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 15:04:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44922 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSrb-0000hS-1X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:04:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49092) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSqh-0008Ih-Mn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:03:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:28726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDSqf-0008BC-Lm; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:03:07 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id AF96E100240; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:03:03 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1D8BF1000DA; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:03:02 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1613829782; bh=Cp/+DhwbCInxWCJkZbWC7/huYs2fkqsvnX+4qi3zFcg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=k5I+R2Y/YduAJD19Br1mqzruBm9Q6uDqMgCBktLVJqSBt9QS6Ndyz8B3BylG7M3W+ wa+8+rEKfhWV3p8qpsVAonBeMvjvlTYNQc/WkotyQVqPQWp9rcEdyC6nYifqb2JSi3 nZ9NNrTi6sEK3tQhf8FC6HLbA0d2ChoDS56lw60QTo05h8fPAhiDo7+zDDhGMc1KqP e5Xi6x0RGw9CXExRVfdSsNieM4HmC51o0zrxCHAvzA0+71UZB0YDjgkE+yIgw2x5Hk cEiBTN2YXzKE6140paMJb3anYLJQ1E/Hd24Ozc+EVgXX+JKuIMlF+8P/fIchxM7obU 0Aa/Nj05xjlgA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.41.47]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBA551201C6; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:03:01 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87sg5qq4y4.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:49:55 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265309 Archived-At: >> So I've now added it to Emacs 28. > (But I did not make it interactive. `ignore' is interactive, so making > `always' also be interactive seems tempting, just from a symmetry point > of view, but...) `ignore` is interactive because it's handy for key-bindings where you want a given key sequence to be silently thrown away (as opposed to using nil which leaves other maps to decide what to do, and `undefined` which prevents other maps from giving it a meaning). It might even have been the original motivation for the `ignore` function. I don't see such a use for `always`, OTOH. So better leave it non-interactive. Stefan