From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: DEL vs Backspace (was: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help')
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:47:51 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvwnsqv4uc.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnLjDx0D7eSFJNBcx89eczDaSn1XdmYe0QoyOF137dpPA@mail.gmail.com> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:48:00 -0500")
> As you say, this is an old problem. For example `C-h k <backspace>'
> here gives a help screen that cryptically says "DEL (translated from
> <backspace>)". I suppose most users have no idea what that means, other
> than some vague notion that "DEL is clearly just the same as backspace".
This is harder to fix, but maybe we should tackle those problem.
Basically, the issue is that we have two different events: the symbol
`backspace` generated under GUIs and the DEL character (aka ^?)
generated under ttys.
The way we unify them is via `function-key-map` which maps `backspace`
to DEL when there's no binding for `backspace`.
Maybe we should inverse this mapping. Similarly for RET-vs-return and
TAB-vs-tab.
Another benefit in the long run would be to free C-i and C-m for the
users to bind as they please in GUI frames.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-25 15:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-21 12:06 Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 16:46 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-21 17:31 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 18:17 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-21 17:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-21 18:18 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-21 19:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 1:40 ` Consistent face for keys in *Help* and `substitute-command-keys' Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 2:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-24 4:44 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 22:01 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-25 1:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 6:43 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-25 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 16:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 14:00 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-24 16:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 19:09 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-25 2:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-24 14:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-24 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 2:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 16:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 18:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 18:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 19:47 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 20:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-04 6:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-04 14:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-05 16:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-05 17:07 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-05 17:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2021-03-06 17:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 17:39 ` Drew Adams
2021-03-05 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-05 19:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-05 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-05 20:39 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-05 20:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-05 21:43 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06 16:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 17:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-06 18:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07 3:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-07 6:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07 7:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-07 7:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 9:17 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-08 11:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-08 17:43 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-10 1:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-10 17:16 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-10 19:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-10 19:50 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-10 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 0:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-11 3:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-11 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 13:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-11 13:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 14:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-11 6:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 14:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-13 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 15:59 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-11 0:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-15 9:19 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-16 2:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-16 23:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-03-08 15:39 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-08 16:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-08 17:43 ` Juri Linkov
2021-03-09 7:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-09 9:05 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-25 19:14 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-25 19:44 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-24 16:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 1:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 17:45 ` Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 18:20 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-21 18:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 20:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 20:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-21 23:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-22 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-13 16:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-14 2:37 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-14 23:05 ` Drew Adams
2021-03-14 23:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-15 1:54 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-07 15:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-07 22:54 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-08 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 12:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 13:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 15:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 17:16 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-08 22:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-09 6:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 14:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-08 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-08 15:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-08 15:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 15:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-08 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-08 17:55 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-09 15:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 18:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-08 23:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-08 23:35 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-08 23:41 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-07 16:42 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-07 18:33 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 19:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 22:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 23:26 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-08 12:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 19:55 ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-24 13:21 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-24 13:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-24 16:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-24 23:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 7:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 9:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 10:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 11:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 16:26 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-25 10:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 10:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 10:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 11:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 15:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 15:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 17:39 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-30 20:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 20:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-30 22:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-02 10:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-05-02 18:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 17:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 12:47 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-25 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 16:22 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-25 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 13:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-25 13:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 13:32 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-25 13:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 13:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 11:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 15:47 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-04-25 16:49 ` DEL vs Backspace Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 17:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25 17:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-26 0:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-26 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-26 11:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-26 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2021-04-27 20:56 ` Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Stefan Kangas
2021-04-27 23:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-24 17:18 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-24 20:32 ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-25 10:00 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 17:56 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-07 18:21 ` John Yates
2021-04-07 22:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 22:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-07 23:15 ` Howard Melman
2021-04-08 12:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-21 19:27 ` Howard Melman
2021-02-22 15:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-22 10:01 ` Yuri Khan
2021-02-22 15:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 15:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 15:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-25 18:43 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 14:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
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