From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Keybinding styles Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2021 10:25:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87lf4dnk0z.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27415"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 04 16:26:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mMWcN-0006yO-11 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 16:26:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42460 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMWcL-00021E-P7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 10:26:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34510) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMWbY-0000Xa-JU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 10:25:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:26745) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMWbV-0006Nq-LK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 10:25:11 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9791280677; Sat, 4 Sep 2021 10:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 2AD7B806D9; Sat, 4 Sep 2021 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1630765508; bh=19MazvrZBEkNmjJhECnzG0Zk5Bawjhov6QClVKjBjdY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=NEoQ20Wr66Et+z+qN59EJvrwD0JPkrLDcIS/SVJBG4igSkn7VUjMy6cvrByd47m5B s4WKwIc0qL1AFeHrKfMHSiyYw5NILEdogznjwZCuBPyjC85ZwJz+fVUIn9SEP9tzi0 o0CLjKh9yt7uvAMqFDxf9R8wfyQ7mca8yvKc57F/W9ELlh5SmTGDN3hr/VkhA8QFz7 kigD8bpMkx4Dq6+bbsThU/j5JBO8vcO084TmeeSwnDoQ18aiJhorr/QDRnlW5DGX2e Koa/2qtphJFpiD675JaNv/wWjruvluPznive6+yY/tXdEYxPgATGCGA1Jl7p/vAJGK svwWo6cxJggoQ== Original-Received: from milanesa (unknown [104.247.244.135]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 808E9120376; Sat, 4 Sep 2021 10:25:05 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sat, 4 Sep 2021 16:39:34 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273885 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov [2021-09-04 16:39:34] wrote: > On 04.09.2021 16:26, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I keep wishing someone came up with a clever way for modes to specify >> their key-bindings in such a way that Emacs can automatically derive from >> it the keys to use "normally" as well as the keys to use in Evil or the >> keys to use in god-mode, or the keys to use in this hypothetical new >> `really-cua-mode`, ... > Choosing prefix keys as handy as C-x and C-c is hard enough. > C-d and C-e, I guess? Everything else close enough to Ctrl is occupied > in CUA. IIRC the meta key is largely unused. And of course it could go the Vi route of using a key like ESC to access further bindings. Stefan