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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [elpa] externals-release/org e2366ac283: * lisp/org-persist.el: Do not litter /tmp when native compiling
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2022 14:54:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvwn6kpmir.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877cyka7q3.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Wed, 21 Dec 2022 19:15:48 +0000")

>>> +  (setq org-persist-directory
>>> +        (make-temp-file "org-persist-" 'dir))
>>> +  ;; We don't need the temp directory to exist.
>>> +  ;; `org-persist-write-all' will refrain from creating and writing to the dir if
>>> +  ;; none exists yet.
>>> +  (delete-directory org-persist-directory))
>>
>> Could we skip the "create dir" so we can skip the `delete-directory`
>> part as well?
>
> It would be wonderful, but
>
>     There is a race condition between calling make-temp-name and
>     later creating the file, which opens all kinds of security holes.
>     For that reason, you should normally use make-temp-file instead.
>
> which scared me.

By keeping `org-persist-directory` but deleting the dir, you basically
turn the narrow window of the race condition into an arbitrarily
long window, so your code is worse than using `make-temp-name` :-(

>> Also, this smells like a security hole: after `delete-directory`, with
>> the /tmp setup as mode #o1777, some other user can come and create
>> a directory at that location, so that our `org-persist-directory` will
>> then point to their directory (where they may be able to read the
>> things we write) or they can replace it with a link to a directory of
>> our own tricking us into overwriting some of our own files.
>
> This also means that other user has access to Elisp machine state (the
> value of org-persist-directory).

Not really.  The usual way to exploit the race condition in
`make-temp-name` is to predict the name that will be chosen (or trick
the code into choosing a particular value, e.g. by creating lost of
entries with names /tmp/org-persist-NNNNN so your Emacs's choice of free
spot is correspondingly reduced).

But, with your code it's even easier, it can just monitor the /tmp
directory to see which dir was created and then deleted and it will then
know the value of your `org-persist-directory`.

>> IOW, I suggest we use something like
>>
>>     (setq org-persist-directory "/non-existing")
>> or
>>     (setq org-persist-directory (make-temp-name "/non-existing"))
>>
>> [ Not sure if there is a standard such name that's "guaranteed" not to
>>   exist.  ]
>
> If you confirm that it is safe to use `make-temp-name' here, I will go
> with your suggestion.

The safety of this code relies on the fact that / is presumed to be
read-only (except for root), contrary to /tmp which is world-writable.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-21 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-12-21 19:07   ` [elpa] externals-release/org e2366ac283: * lisp/org-persist.el: Do not litter /tmp when native compiling Stefan Monnier
2022-12-21 19:15     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-21 19:54       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-12-25  9:22         ` Ihor Radchenko

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