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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Emacs-Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: toggling a minor mode should not tell Customize that the value has been set
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:14:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvve677lk4.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DHEEKFAFJEFOJHLCFPFDAEGACDAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:48:47 -0800")

> `define-minor-mode' adds this code to the definition of every minor mode:
> (if (called-interactively-p)
>     (progn
>       ,(if globalp `(customize-mark-as-set ',mode)) ; <=== WHY?

Because M-x foo-mode RET on such global minor-modes isn't much different
from M-x customize-variable RET foo-mode RET .... -> Set for current session.

> What was the rationale behind this behavior? Why should toggling

The rationale is that Custom does not like it when Elisp code modifies
a defcustom behind its back.

If we don't do it, then Custom will simply tell you that the variable
was set outside of Custom and that saving the var may hence not have
the expected effect.

> A user should be able to use `customize-customized' (including perhaps in
> `kill-emacs-query-functions') to see what s?he has customized and might want
> to save.

Exactly, after trying our M-x iswtchb-mode RET she may very much like to
see that iswitchb-mode is now eabled and that she could save it so that
it's enabled next time around.


        Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-06  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-05 17:48 toggling a minor mode should not tell Customize that the value has been set Drew Adams
2008-01-06  2:14 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2008-01-06  8:01   ` Drew Adams
2008-01-06 16:16     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-06 20:47       ` Drew Adams
2008-01-06 21:20         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-06 23:00           ` Drew Adams
2008-01-07  1:32             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-06 22:41         ` martin rudalics
2008-01-06 23:41           ` Drew Adams
2008-01-07  1:26             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-07  7:34             ` martin rudalics
2008-01-07 11:31             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 10:46 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 16:19   ` toggling a minor mode should not tell Customize that the value hasbeen set Drew Adams
2008-01-07 17:15     ` Richard Stallman

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