From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: FW: Minibuf menu when minibuffer is standalone Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <001001c883ab$528a70f0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205269897 22975 80.91.229.12 (11 Mar 2008 21:11:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Emacs-Devel' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 11 22:11:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JZBku-0008LA-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:11:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZBkL-00059V-NB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:10:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZBk4-00050P-7I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:10:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZBk2-0004zI-8I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:10:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZBk2-0004zD-5J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:10:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZBk2-0004u6-0f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:10:34 -0400 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932B02CFA2D; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819A93FE0; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6E66E6CAA2; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:10:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <001001c883ab$528a70f0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:08:42 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92200 Archived-At: >> From: Drew Adams Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:02 PM >> Consider as a possible enhancement somehow making the Minibuf >> menu-bar menu available also when the minibuffer is in a >> standalone frame (frame parameter minibuffer has value `only'). >> >> Because the minibuffer maps are local maps, when you have a >> standalone minibuffer frame, which has no menu-bar, the Minibuf >> menu-bar menu is not available anywhere. (The other frames do >> not have minibuffers, and their buffers do not have the >> minibuffer map as local map.) >> >> Perhaps menu Minibuf could somehow be made to appear in all >> frames that have a menu-bar, whenever the minibuffer is active. >> I'm not sure how that might be implemented, because it is good >> to keep the current situation of the minibuffer maps being >> local to the minibuffer. But if a good implementation could be >> found, it would be desirable to have the Minibuf menu available >> also for users who have a standalone minibuffer. Actually, I'd hate such a behavior. It's only relatively recently (maybe a couple years) that I discovered the minibuffer menus, where I tested Emacs in a non-separate-minibuffer-frame setting and found the menu-bar switching just inconvenient. I mean, really, all that menu-bar-switching for what? 3 miserable commands? Stefan