From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rmail-mbox branch Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:52:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87zlprvod0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4868CF84.1040005@pajato.com> <48A90589.4020804@pajato.com> <48A91146.60200@pajato.com> <48A968A3.8050806@pajato.com> <48BA1DAE.2030005@pajato.com> <874p51xblf.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <48BC44F3.4030902@pajato.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220302380 12586 80.91.229.12 (1 Sep 2008 20:53:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , Chong Yidong , emacs-devel To: Paul Michael Reilly Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 01 22:53:54 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KaGPF-00071Q-Ep for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:53:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40846 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KaGOG-0008Tv-Hq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:52:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KaGOC-0008SQ-Rz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:52:44 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KaGOC-0008SE-D2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:52:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38593 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KaGOC-0008S8-AY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:52:44 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:7358) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KaGO7-000233-WB; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:52:40 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMFAITzu0hFxJrH/2dsb2JhbACBZbEugWmBBw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,309,1217822400"; d="scan'208";a="26195727" Original-Received: from 69-196-154-199.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.154.199]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 01 Sep 2008 16:52:27 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9A6E6B41E3; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:52:26 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <48BC44F3.4030902@pajato.com> (Paul Michael Reilly's message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:39:31 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103395 Archived-At: > Only that there will very likely be a raft of messages to the affect > of "What the fuck happened to Rmail..." My oft stated opinion is that > we should commit the Rmail/mbox code immediately after a release thus > giving us the maximum amount of time to fix Rmail/mbox bugs. > Admittedly Rmail/mbox has been less buggy than I had expected it would > be in the week or so that I've been using it. Richard has found a > couple of bugs, as have I, one of which was the same bug. So for me > the answer to your question depends on when the next release of Emacs > is targeted. If it is imminent, like in weeks or a few months, then I > would advise waiting. If it won't happen for many months, then now is > as good a time as any. > The only area I know is incomplete is confirming that spam filtering > is up to date. I think it is but there is a few commits to > Rmail/babyl that I'm not sure are relevant to Rmail/mbox. > Also, there is one suggestion that Richard made that will facilitate > automatic conversion of Babyl formatted file to mbox format. This one > should probably be completed before we make the switch. Installing pmail on the trunk as it is now only makes/made sense on the assumption that it's temporary and will be moved to rmail before the release. "The" release here is 23, since the trunk holds the code for Emacs-23. Emacs-23 is in feature freeze but hasn't started pretesting. You could call it something like `alpha' or `beta' quality. The sooner you can move Pmail to Rmail the better (it's the one remaining feature that hasn't yet been installed, so it's an exception to the feature freeze). I don't use Rmail myself, so I can't really comment concretely, but as soon as Pmail's feature-set is equal to (or a superset of) Rmail and those features are mostly working, we should move Pmail to Rmail. >From what you say, it seems that we're really close now. Stefan