From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interoperation between package managers Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1502400961 20417 195.159.176.226 (10 Aug 2017 21:36:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 21:36:01 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 10 23:35:58 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv7Q-0004qu-My for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:35:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55405 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv7X-0000Gi-39 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:35:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42755) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv6k-0000CU-2r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:35:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv6g-0003ob-GM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:35:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=41261 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv6g-0003o6-9n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:35:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv6P-0001TY-Lb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:34:49 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 35 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:0dBz5klfsdtMyCyd5O2CBvpkqzY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217403 Archived-At: > Perhaps I should not have said the package.el format is fundamentally > incompatible with source-based package managers. What I should have > said is that source-based package managers would gain little by being > compatible with the package.el format. I don't know what you mean by "the package.el format". AFAIK there are 2 "formats": one on the web-server and one in ~/.emacs.d/elpa. I agree that the web-server one wouldn't make much sense for "source-based" package managers, but the installed-format doesn't seem incompatible at all. > In particular, packages that are installed via package.el cannot be > version-controlled, since the package.el format dictates a flat > collection of *.el (and other) files, with no version-control > information attached other than a version number. Not sure. For example, the way I use elpa.git with package.el is: git clone .../elpa.git cd elpa make and then add that directory to package-directory-list. That lets me use packages directly from the local Git repository (which I find important in order for `C-h f` and such to directly jump to the real source files that I can edit, with VCS metadata). > As a corollary, it is impossible to use the package.el format to make > local modifications to a package in a controlled way, or to contribute > changes upstream using package.el. I don't see that. Stefan