From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Debbugs problems (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 10:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1552789070.5272.1@yandex.ru> <87imwhmmt8.fsf@gmail.com> <87y347g1l3.fsf@iotcl.com> <9ac21e82-8e47-f9b5-f88d-23c0c56946d1@yandex.ru> <87pnpc1lby.fsf@iotcl.com> <83zhoezdqc.fsf@gnu.org> <87imuivfcr.fsf@iotcl.com> <83k1eyfxls.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="29515"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Toon Claes , dgutov@yandex.ru, agrambot@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 10 16:05:32 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hP69T-0007RV-Fs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 May 2019 16:05:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43946 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hP69S-0002AR-9c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 May 2019 10:05:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40707) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hP66H-0008Iv-Mg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 May 2019 10:02:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hP66G-0002Wt-MR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 May 2019 10:02:13 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:55718) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hP66G-0002Wg-HH; Fri, 10 May 2019 10:02:12 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id x4AE2AQf021746; Fri, 10 May 2019 10:02:10 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0AB706AE94; Fri, 10 May 2019 10:02:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83k1eyfxls.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 10 May 2019 12:49:19 +0300") X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6543=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6543> : inlines <7074> : streams <1821124> : uri <2842753> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:236372 Archived-At: >> I understand. That's why I want to figure out whether we can add changes >> to GitLab, so (almost) everything also can be done outside the >> webbrowser, and from emacs. Or maybe build something like the debbugs >> package for emacs. > Personally, I think an Emacs client is almost a must, if we want to > consider something like GitLab seriously. I largely agree, tho if the interaction can all be done via git+email, I'd be quite satisfied as well. >> Probably the most complicated about the current bug tracker, at least >> from irregular contributor's POV, is interacting to a existing bug: >> Where do I send the email to? Who do I CC? How do I set In-Reply-To? > In any decent MUA (certainly with Emacs MUAs), this is almost trivial: > the defaults always DTRT. You don't need to think about any of that. I think this is not nearly as obvious: most users I know consider "reply only to sender" as the normal way to reply (and look at "reply all" with fear, because they never use mailing-lists). Furthermore, while maybe all it takes is "to reply", they likely don't know that and will end up having to think about it. Another problem of debbugs in my experience is that there's no way to "subscribe" to a bug. Stefan