From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Declaring cl.el obsolete Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:55:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5f011dd7-8b78-4a02-90c0-6f3d52fb5690@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="161275"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 23 18:55:23 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpy4Q-000fnT-Lj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:55:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45736 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpy4P-0000V1-7k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:55:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40593) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpy4H-0000Ss-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:55:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpy4H-00082s-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:4939) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpy4G-000824-Qe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:55:12 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 143AB8117A; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C51998119A; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:55:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1563900909; bh=r/ZRyCNHuuGNUBGeRZEhFB05+iicHcUH52vjoAiFg5Q=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=IeVIfCquN+mOKj2vyuIBNQTjsQdL/XWg2M6CvvXoB9faZ/79z1i9NrBKsssZhXsvK utZQB18H2ANRnkqNA1h62XXztQ2QrsCapBhWcb46uChb62JVSuZRDn0SBjJPseZDMD GN3hkme/3PxMdEKRuAQWNMshDuHu7D5VykxQml1HYIURfFythufb0gM1TAkCJEGDsj HJP1AS0SqwSwfyffamme6tNbqZtgNHklpuo/1Ki8oMqmrPp3p7eqRS0FAVPIdJ9Q13 QWJc/KBxpHQQfxXauqL9VPsP0YuJvXvhXDor/erym0YkZGnS9Jy6bCoPKh+vLzrraQ LyscKoGi8pdVQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (modemcable157.163-203-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.203.163.157]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A6394120FBB; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:55:09 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <5f011dd7-8b78-4a02-90c0-6f3d52fb5690@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:29:44 -0700 (PDT)") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:238850 Archived-At: >> > cl-lib was released 6 years ago... >> > everything it offers is provided by cl-lib or lexical-binding. > Maybe. When those are available, which they're > not for some older releases. And not everything: > aliases to names without `cl-' are missing. Not sure how that's relevant: I'm not suggesting to drop 'cl' yet. >> Regarding (2), I pointed out that I don't foresee `cl` disappearing >> completely any time soon. Instead, it will likely move to GNU ELPA >> when we finally remove it from Emacs. [...] > 1. Some code will continue to use `cl.el', at least > for compatibility with both older and newer Emacs > versions. That's addressed by my point (2) above. > They are aliased in `cl.el' (see #1). Without > supporting the aliases, code that's compatible > with older releases can't use the aliases, and it > also can't use the `cl-' versions, which don't > exist. Again, you can still use 'cl', nothing's changed in this respect. > 3. Moving `cl.el' to GNU ELPA doesn't help its use > by older Emacs versions that don't support > package.el. These come with 'cl' built-in, so they don't need any GNU ELPA package. Stefan