From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:07:42 -0400 Message-ID: <jwvv9fc3fmn.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> References: <CANQHGB1052fKdSq0=F-PG8hLMC3WX-R3UaMmrHrntG8J3J2pVw@mail.gmail.com> <E1kNpy4-0004bS-JF@fencepost.gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <E1kOC7h-0003N9-8B@fencepost.gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <E1kOurL-0004al-2O@fencepost.gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <E1kR5wn-0002lL-FN@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> <C3DC2673-64A1-4FE0-9303-EB6C113DA044@gnu.org> <87tuv1f2y9.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8l9f1dl.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfgc50gb.fsf@gnu.org> <875z7gflpl.fsf@gnus.org> <83imbf2xux.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfgbarkk.fsf@gnus.org> <83zh4q195b.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgah1mjz.fsf@gnus.org> <83r1q0zwlp.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; 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But we'd need fort to decide what is the > semantics of this: > > (setq mode-line-thing `(:propertize "%12b" :min-width 10)) One solution is to not use text-properties, e.g. (setq mode-line-format '(... (:control-width mode-line-buffer-identification :min-width 10 :max-width 30) ... (:control-width mode-line-position :min-width 10 :align 'center) ...)) The downside is that this will only work for <foo>-line-format, whereas this kind of functionality would also be handy within buffer text for tabular modes like `proced`. Stefan