From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package-quickstart and info: Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 21:12:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20210107211432.ADCC7C21F3D@raman-glaptop.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40392"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "T.V Raman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 03:13:43 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxhHb-000AQE-0u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 03:13:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40424 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxhHa-00038O-3G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 21:13:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55900) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxhG8-0002cC-6e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 21:12:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:51664) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxhG3-0008Tn-Lc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 21:12:11 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DC51C100222; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 21:12:06 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 761F0100068; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 21:12:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1610071925; bh=mVdyqZL/AazN6Mt25+6W0ebI4t9Lgk3e0H6TMSnNdM8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=e3et8UxP/x29puUu5TAvh41s6yyx/iUVoAx1ZJQt0cDO3FQkN0glu7XHUJb6c3lRP e4KFJOLy71kwwV9Hp77h50m0pq/BlZMnEfCSW3LezCokd9/lehbrKHPOym3UVqywwx UWyQKkPWI0ah2Ej6HSV8dojW/9cd5GCCHpBe+CboqLjIxVwtxQgjbVYDkVbSZtp1BA kGtHBe2lNgaITMS/o5z5AFcj6pz+WtDEEoVtvOjDU3ikRD5WMymdSsrZDj8CqmRPoR b8RIR1LqLdHJjJ666h1zMV9r+vRhW+S/Y1558OQuVRBb60HZiJyQ3ZclXSycw8tEVp YP4ImxnJKaLgw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.224.181]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 44AF512021C; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 21:12:05 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (T. V. Raman's message of "Thu, 07 Jan 2021 15:40:57 -0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262724 Archived-At: > Given that this is all happening from early-init.el, I suspect info > always gets loaded. Hmm... I don't understand how that relates to what I said, Stefan >>> While debugging something else with force-load-messages set to t, I >>> noticed that loading package-quickstart.el loads info -- is there a >>> good reason for this? >> >> IIRC when a package includes an Info manual, we load `info` before >> modifying the `Info-directory-list`. This could be improved to avoid >> loading `info`. >> >> The place where this happens in the non-quickstart case is >> `package-activate-1` and in `package-quickstart-refresh` you can see >> similar code being added to the quickstart file. >> >> IIRC the problem is that depending on whether >> `info-initialize` has already been called or not, we need to add the >> directory either to `Info-directory-list` or to >> `Info-default-directory-list`. >> >> Patches welcome (and if you need more info about the precise >> relationship between those two Info*directory-list vars, I think Eli is >> the one who knows all about it). >> >> >> Stefan >>