From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [jerome.marant@free.fr: Re: Possible help with stable Emacs releases.] Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:35:59 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1096291271.415813c757a26@imp6-q.free.fr> <20040927134714.GA20012@fencepost> <87hdphx91c.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87655wswkv.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <01c4a6f8$Blat.v2.2.2$f6ef61c0@zahav.net.il> <20040930143404.GB2296@fencepost> <01c4a703$Blat.v2.2.2$9a627220@zahav.net.il> <1096559619.415c2c031623c@imp4-q.free.fr> <01c4a707$Blat.v2.2.2$99a73ba0@zahav.net.il> <1096576951.415c6fb768430@imp3-q.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1096580283 27508 80.91.229.6 (30 Sep 2004 21:38:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 30 23:37:48 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CD8cW-0003Gf-00 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:37:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CD8iv-0006Hc-MU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:44:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CD8ih-0006Fw-0R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:44:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CD8if-0006F4-84 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:44:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CD8if-0006EL-5Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:44:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [132.204.24.67] (helo=mercure.iro.umontreal.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CD8au-0002QE-7L; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:36:08 -0400 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE91E8282AB; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from asado.iro.umontreal.ca (asado.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.24.84]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBFB4AC65D; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by asado.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 299138CA23; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=E9r=F4me_Marant?= In-Reply-To: <1096576951.415c6fb768430@imp3-q.free.fr> =?iso-8859-1?q?=28J=E9r=F4me?= Marant's message of "Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:42:31 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=0, requis 5) X-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:27756 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:27756 >> I think the issue of whether we can do 2 or not is mostly irrelevant: >> if the pretests take too much time, then we necessarily won't make them >> more often. I.e. if it works it works and if it doesn't, then it works >> as before. I don't see what's to discuss. > But if people think this change in the management of bugfix releases > is a good thing, aren't they going to do everything for it to succeed? > Let's clarify: we do propose to add more manpower for doing the > "dirty job" (honestly, noone loves tracking bugs), but it will never > work without a little cooperation from Emacs developers. > Can I have a guaranty that I'll never be pissed off or ignored on > blocking situations? ("go fuck yourself! You wanted to do the job, > you'll have to do this without us!") I don't expect any such problem. The worst I expect is that you might sometimes be prevented from installing a bugfix because it's not "good enough" (which is something that happens all the time anyway). Also sometimes things won't go as fast as you'd like. In order for you not to be frustrated, I think the best option is to take it slow: after all, the process already exists, and you're just offering to help out, so you can start by just systematically submitting the patches that you'd like to apply to Debian's tree (so they get installed in RC), then regularly bug people to remind them that we should get the next pretest started, ... Stefan