From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; emacs-report-bug fails silently Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:24:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87fxs0hrrv.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <4840084C.2020405@gmail.com> <87d4n3ii41.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <48407716.5080704@gmail.com> <874p8fi9op.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87od6lc1bd.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87abi4r3ci.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212373486 20260 80.91.229.12 (2 Jun 2008 02:24:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 02:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org To: Florian Beck Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 02 04:25:27 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K2zjh-0006cf-Fb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:25:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34806 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K2ziv-0004gB-94 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:24:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K2ziq-0004cG-CD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:24:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K2zio-0004ZO-Nt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:24:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39123 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K2zio-0004Z6-KO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:24:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:60350) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2zio-0004pr-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:24:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:60373 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K2zh2-0001UU-Fn for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:22:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2zim-0004pb-Hl for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:24:30 -0400 Original-Received: from 206-248-132-168.dsl.teksavvy.com ([206.248.132.168]:59720 helo=ceviche.home) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2zim-0004pV-6H for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:24:28 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 825D5B4239; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:24:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87abi4r3ci.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> (Florian Beck's message of "Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:13:33 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Greylist: delayed 6338 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:24:28 EDT X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98206 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:22526 Archived-At: >>>>> Look, if you think my setup is bizzare, please ignore my report. But >>>>> I don't think it is. >>>> Me neither, see the sub-thread[1] about this in April on emacs-devel. >>> Well, /usr/sbin/sendmail indeed *does* exist on my system, although the >>> sendmail package is not installed. Confusing, isn't it? >> >> Not necessarily: many packages (i.e. most MTAs) provide >> /usr/sbin/sendmail. Could you try and figure out what that >> `/usr/sbin/sendmail' is? > It is from the postfix package, but obviously not configured: > fb@aeschylus:~$ sendmail > sendmail: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory > fb@aeschylus:~$ echo $? > 75 Good, so this one is not misconfigured. We should be able to DTRT here. >> We definitely have a problem in this respect. Traditionally on Unix, >> sending mail is done via the /usr/sbin/sendmail program, but nowadays >> it's very common to have such programs completely misconfigured. >> It's fundamentally a bug in the distributions, I believe, but it's not >> one that we can expect to see fixed any time soon, so we're going to >> have to deal with it. > As a test, I installed sendmail from the ubuntu repository. It kind of > works, but only delivers mail locally. Of course, now sendmail returns 0. I.e. it's broken and misconfigured. > So a misconfigured sendmail may be difficult to detect. Yes. But clearly we're not even doing the right when sendmail fails cleanly, so there's room for improvement. Stefan