From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: message-mode and VM Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:36:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271011026 3637 80.91.229.12 (11 Apr 2010 18:37:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Uday S Reddy Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 11 20:37:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O121p-00070b-2p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:37:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45379 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O121o-0003o7-ET for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:37:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O121T-0003WV-1P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:36:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46705 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O121R-0003VJ-QI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O121Q-0004t9-AK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:36:41 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:29123 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O121Q-0004su-7l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:36:40 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAKuzwUtMCqWu/2dsb2JhbACbSHK1Z4UMBItGgwI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,185,1270440000"; d="scan'208";a="60630331" Original-Received: from 76-10-165-174.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.165.174]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 11 Apr 2010 14:36:37 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3DE2F660BF; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:36:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Uday S. Reddy's message of "Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:41:30 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123494 Archived-At: > In any case, I am writing to let you know that VM doesn't have its own > mail-sending package. It uses Emacs mail-mode. Specifically, it > depends on sendmail.el, mail-utils.el and mail-extr.el. So, if > mail-mode is going to be obsoleted, you will need to tell us what > corresponding functions we can use from message-mode. We don't have any plan to obsolete mail-mode at the moment. But I still recommend you try and figure out how to make VM work with message-mode, since the same arguments that justified the switch for the default from mail-mode to message-mode should apply to VM (mostly, handling of MIME). And of course, if you have trouble using message-mode for VM, do come and ask questions here (and/or report corresponding bugs). > Minor changes in the user interface will be ok, as long as they are > properly documented in the info manual. The current manual of the > message-mode is not quite up to the mark. I haven't looked at either manual in a while. Do you have specific problems in mind? > I believe that there are quite a few Emacs-based mail clients right > now. I don't know how all of them treat their mail-sending > functionality, but I wouldn't be surprised if more of them are > continuing to use mail-mode. So, they would also be affected if > mail-mode obsoleted. I don't know either, but AFAIK MH-E has been using message-mode for a while already. It was designed as a superset/replacement of mail-mode so switching to it is usually relatively painless. Stefan