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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, forcer@forcix.cx, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Generating the ChangeLog files from the commit messages
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:24:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvtx1gysdw.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83wq6c8s47.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:23:36 +0200")

>> We should generate a single ChangeLog, OTOH.
> Btw, there's another minor issue with a single large ChangeLog: the
> size suggested by Paul (32MB AFAIR) is above the default value of
> large-file-warning-threshold (currently 10,000,000 bytes).

IIUC this figure was computed for a combined single file of the
whole history.  The generated file would start empty (since it wouldn't
include the part that's already present in the existing ChangeLog files).

It makes sense to roll those files on a release-number basis rather than
just size.

Paul said:
> The 10 MB limit is too small nowadays for typical machines.

Could be.  I rarely bump into it, personally.  But I wouldn't mind
increasing it a bit, tho probably not by a factor of ten.

> I regularly run into it and it's a genuine (albeit minor) annoyance.

What value would stop you from bumping into it, and on which kinds of
files do you typically bump into it.

> When the 10 MB limit was established back in 2003, machines typically
> had 64 MiB or so of RAM.

Reality check: my 2003-vintage X30 laptop (which I happily use when
doing presentations) came with 768MB of RAM.  This was fairly generous
back then (it's actually the max it can take, AFAIK).  The 2003 12"
PowerBook I got at the same time had 256MB (with a max of 1.25GB) and it
was considered "under provided" so I upgraded it to 786MB even before
I added a wifi card to it.  IOW I don't think 64MB was typical back then.

> Nowadays 8 GiB is closer to being typical and the 10 MB limit is way
> below the sweet spot for warnings.

But the size of human-edited files (the bread-and-butter for Emacs)
hasn't increased nearly as much.


        Stefan



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-12-01  3:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-14 14:39 Include necessary git tools in the Emacs distribution? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-14 14:57 ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-14 14:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 16:13 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-11-15 19:28   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-15 20:04     ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-11-15 20:07       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-15 20:34         ` Kelvin White
2014-11-15 20:35           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-15 20:57             ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-11-15 21:45         ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-16  0:01         ` Lennart Borgman
2014-11-18  2:07   ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-11-18  2:15     ` Paul Eggert
2014-11-18 14:45       ` Generating the ChangeLog files from the commit messages (was: Include necessary git tools in the Emacs distribution?) Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 14:59         ` Generating the ChangeLog files from the commit messages Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 16:22           ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-11-18 17:10         ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-18 17:40           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 17:56             ` Paul Eggert
2014-11-18 20:32               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-11-18 21:12             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 22:05               ` Paul Eggert
2014-11-19 22:36                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-20  0:15                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-11-20  2:50                     ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-20  3:15                       ` Paul Eggert
2014-11-20  4:04                         ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-20 20:12                           ` Paul Eggert
2014-11-21  4:25                             ` Kelvin White
2014-11-21  7:57                               ` Paul Eggert
2014-11-19  9:03               ` Bastien
2014-11-19  9:11               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-29 22:35               ` Paul Eggert
2014-11-30  0:23                 ` Jan D.
2014-11-30  9:12                 ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-11-30 16:15                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-11-30 18:11                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-30 18:23                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 18:30                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-30 20:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 21:50                           ` default large-file-warning-threshold (was: Generating the ChangeLog files ...) Paul Eggert
2014-11-30 23:19                             ` default large-file-warning-threshold Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-30 23:22                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-30 23:31                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-01  5:46                                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-01 15:52                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 18:13                                       ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-01 18:19                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01 18:24                                           ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-01 20:21                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 20:32                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-02  1:17                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-02  5:07                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01 19:00                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 17:06                                 ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-01 17:56                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 18:33                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-01 19:12                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 19:15                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 20:47                                   ` Rasmus
2014-12-01 19:15                             ` default large-file-warning-threshold (was: Generating the ChangeLog files ...) Richard Stallman
2014-12-02  5:15                             ` default large-file-warning-threshold Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01  3:24                         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2014-12-01  3:39                           ` Generating the ChangeLog files from the commit messages Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01  5:49                           ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-01  7:45                           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2014-11-30 16:35                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  9:02           ` Bastien
2014-11-19  9:38             ` Rasmus
2014-11-19 11:17               ` Bastien
2014-11-19 13:34                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-19 13:50                   ` Bastien
2014-11-19 16:29                 ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-19 16:43                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 16:52                     ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-19 18:49                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-20  2:54                         ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-20  9:38                           ` Bastien
2014-11-20  9:33                         ` Bastien
2014-11-20  9:31                   ` Bastien
2014-11-19 16:43             ` David Engster
2014-11-19 22:21               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19 22:51                 ` David Engster
2014-11-21 10:03                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-21 16:19                     ` David Engster
2014-11-21 16:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-21 17:19                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-21 17:21                         ` David Engster
2014-11-19 16:54     ` Include necessary git tools in the Emacs distribution? David Engster

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