From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does Gnus article-moving act like a fetch of new news? Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:06:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87lf9rruzl.fsf@red-bean.com> <87mtu65yqj.fsf@igel.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34099"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Karl Fogel , Emacs Development To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 10 15:07:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lVDKW-0008nP-Ph for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 15:07:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48668 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVDKV-0001lc-QU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:07:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52650) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVDJW-0001L8-Ln for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:06:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:61718) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVDJU-0006mS-3z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:06:13 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A7ED31001D2; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id BE64F1000DA; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:06:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1618059968; bh=NJNOcb2ST+ProQ39pSTIk8kxb8Gj0H4nZT4h1X82P8w=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=XohgH5dptv4Wub44f5fbDlF/cQ3q6fR9ctUZ4Jt/C9+ST+xspUfl3T2HZc+nvRLDy RYAot+cFNtgTHiGmNY7yEbtal06ExBgObgsVe7oqknmKQVPZTMol9b0pO/t4Ib/y9I +BycdheMznDwkmr+2J7Sov4t7ggpS0G6HNljgUMIgnfjhTkXR9Zpf9RvPnrVdKchq9 EKisN7i+5IJ46eGjYpA+RUJW14WRfao7ExB7uFP3+r1WPmRWHZHVjw1C9yqX8rK6ws aG1q77wnHA1OYfsZCZg14wMc357EbiymVShG0nuHVoWaCElTv3HZzGa/B03MQH56/7 8dLj6jppmI72A== Original-Received: from alfajor (104-222-126-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.126.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77FC712040E; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 09:06:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87mtu65yqj.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sat, 10 Apr 2021 10:29:24 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267811 Archived-At: >> I expected article-moving to be an entirely local operation, and to have >> nothing to do with fetching new news. After all, Gnus already has the >> article in question -- it's not "new". > What if the destination group has been updated in the mean time? Gnus > needs to know the current status of the group, before it can write to > it. But what if it gets updated *again* before we actually write to it? Stefan