From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PHP mode and mmm-mode Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 10:57:23 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1146581877 29637 80.91.229.2 (2 May 2006 14:57:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lennart Borgman , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 02 16:57:52 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FawJt-0006hO-Sv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 16:57:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FawJt-0005ts-R0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 10:57:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FawJj-0005tW-8F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 10:57:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FawJh-0005t7-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 10:57:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FawJh-0005t4-La for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 10:57:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [132.204.24.67] (helo=mercure.iro.umontreal.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FawJs-00041m-49 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 10:57:44 -0400 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5BF2CF5F3; Tue, 2 May 2006 10:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from asado.iro.umontreal.ca (asado.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.24.84]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB06E445C; Tue, 2 May 2006 10:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by asado.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8ADC47152F; Tue, 2 May 2006 10:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: "Michael Shulman" In-Reply-To: (Michael Shulman's message of "Mon, 1 May 2006 23:24:41 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:53791 Archived-At: > I came to believe while working on mmm-mode that in an ideal world, > the major-mode architecture would be designed to support being told to > manage only parts of a buffer. I think we all agree on that. But in order to know what that should look like, I expect several iterations will be needed. And in order to know how to get from here to there, we need experimentation. That's what mmm-mode is/was for, as far as I'm concerned. And I believe it is possible to go from here to there progressively. What I'd like to see from you is not a "let's start over with a great second system", because we all know what happens with second systems, but a list of very concrete problems you've encountered by order of importance. By "very concrete", I really mean *very*: specific to particular situations with particular majors modes. Something where there's a hope we can fix this particular case by adding one simple convention and changing mmm-mode and the respecitve major modes to obey or take advantage of that convention. These should have been sent via M-x report-emacs-bug, years ago already when working on mmm-mode. I've always been surprised/disappointed not to see any feature request from the mmm-mode guy(s). Stefan