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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: frame-local variables weirdness
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:33:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvsl4g5mf0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1IgMuu-00017V-KJ@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri\, 12 Oct 2007 11\:59\:12 -0400")

>     I'd much rather disallow variables that are both buffer-local and
>     frame-local.

> We should not cavalierly disallow the use of features in combination
> just because there is a bug.  Have you tried to fix those other
> problems?  If not, you don't know that it is hard to do so.

The interaction of buffer-local and let-bound variables is already tricky
(and has suffered from several bugs over the years).  When we add
frame-local variables to that, it gets yet nastier so I think we should only
support such a feature if there's a clear need for it.  I don't see it.


        Stefan


PS: As a matter of fact, I don't even see a need for frame-local variables
at all: they *are* used currently, but only because they exist.
The potential benefits of using frame-local variables rather than explicitly
using `frame-parameter' are:
- faster access thanks to caching.
- ability to influence the behavior of code which didn't expect the variable
  to be frame-local.
None of the uses I can see benefit from those.  They'd be just as happy
using explicit calls to frame-parameter, which would also simplify the
specbind and Fsymbol_value code (a piece of code that's pretty complex as
it stands), thus streamlining a heavily used code (especially compared to
the rarely used (mis)feature)).

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-12 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-05 13:41 frame-local variables weirdness Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-08  2:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-09  1:26   ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-09 14:11     ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-10  4:24       ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-10 12:58         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-11  9:42   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-11 14:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-11 14:37       ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-11 17:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-11 19:00           ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-12 15:59     ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-12 16:33       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2007-10-14 16:29         ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-14 17:13           ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-14 17:51           ` David Kastrup
2007-10-15 16:04             ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-15 17:50               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-17 17:29                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-17 18:05                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-18  5:03                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-18 13:53                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-19  5:40                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-19 13:56                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-20  3:30                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-20 13:15                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-21  7:25                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 14:24                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-21 14:56                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-10-21 19:20                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22  2:26                                         ` Miles Bader
2007-10-22  9:01                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-17 21:03                   ` David Kastrup
2007-10-19  1:57                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-17 23:53                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-18 12:45                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-18 13:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-18 13:45                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-18 14:10                         ` Johan Bockgård
2007-10-18 16:40                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-19 17:42                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-19 18:56                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-20 14:57                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21  2:03                         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22  9:00                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-22 15:28                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 15:47                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-22 16:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 16:17                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-23 10:38                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-23 20:31                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-24  8:33                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-24  8:54                                     ` Johan Bockgård
2007-11-06  4:31                   ` Chong Yidong
2007-11-06  8:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-06 10:48                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-12 16:41       ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-13  6:41         ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-13 23:06           ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-18 12:44             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-21 16:26               ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 16:33                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-09 14:24 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-09 15:26   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-09 17:59     ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-11 14:59 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-11 15:57   ` Juanma Barranquero

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