From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: frame-local variables weirdness
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:33:40 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvsl4g5mf0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1IgMuu-00017V-KJ@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri\, 12 Oct 2007 11\:59\:12 -0400")
> I'd much rather disallow variables that are both buffer-local and
> frame-local.
> We should not cavalierly disallow the use of features in combination
> just because there is a bug. Have you tried to fix those other
> problems? If not, you don't know that it is hard to do so.
The interaction of buffer-local and let-bound variables is already tricky
(and has suffered from several bugs over the years). When we add
frame-local variables to that, it gets yet nastier so I think we should only
support such a feature if there's a clear need for it. I don't see it.
Stefan
PS: As a matter of fact, I don't even see a need for frame-local variables
at all: they *are* used currently, but only because they exist.
The potential benefits of using frame-local variables rather than explicitly
using `frame-parameter' are:
- faster access thanks to caching.
- ability to influence the behavior of code which didn't expect the variable
to be frame-local.
None of the uses I can see benefit from those. They'd be just as happy
using explicit calls to frame-parameter, which would also simplify the
specbind and Fsymbol_value code (a piece of code that's pretty complex as
it stands), thus streamlining a heavily used code (especially compared to
the rarely used (mis)feature)).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-12 16:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-05 13:41 frame-local variables weirdness Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-08 2:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-09 1:26 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-09 14:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-10 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-10 12:58 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-11 9:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-11 14:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-11 14:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-11 17:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-11 19:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-12 15:59 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-12 16:33 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2007-10-14 16:29 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-14 17:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-14 17:51 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-15 16:04 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-15 17:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-17 17:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-17 18:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-18 5:03 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-18 13:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-19 5:40 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-19 13:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-20 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-20 13:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-21 7:25 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 14:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-21 14:56 ` Miles Bader
2007-10-21 19:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 2:26 ` Miles Bader
2007-10-22 9:01 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-17 21:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-19 1:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-17 23:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-18 12:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-18 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-18 13:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-18 14:10 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-10-18 16:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-19 17:42 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-19 18:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-20 14:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 2:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 9:00 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-22 15:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 15:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-22 16:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 16:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-23 10:38 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-23 20:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-24 8:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-24 8:54 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-11-06 4:31 ` Chong Yidong
2007-11-06 8:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-06 10:48 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-12 16:41 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-13 6:41 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-13 23:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-18 12:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-21 16:26 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 16:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-09 14:24 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-09 15:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-09 17:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-11 14:59 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-11 15:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
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