From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:53:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4A0C402C.7060804@slugfest.demon.co.uk> <20090514181712.GA2413@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1242532364 26385 80.91.229.12 (17 May 2009 03:52:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 03:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Reitter , Emacs-Devel devel To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 17 05:52:37 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M5XQP-0003Hq-OI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 05:52:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47734 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M5XQP-0000k7-Bn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 23:52:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M5XQJ-0000ic-Hs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 23:52:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M5XQE-0000ho-LN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 23:52:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38690 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M5XQE-0000hl-BA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 23:52:22 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:29664) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M5XQD-0002KR-SB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 23:52:22 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwFAI0mD0pMCovv/2dsb2JhbACBT81HhAEFhWo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,206,1241409600"; d="scan'208";a="38703350" Original-Received: from 76-10-139-239.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.139.239]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 16 May 2009 23:52:21 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9A8A38096; Sat, 16 May 2009 23:53:05 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20090514181712.GA2413@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Thu, 14 May 2009 18:17:12 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110939 Archived-At: > I don't see anything bizarre and extreme about this change, but as a > minor point I wish this change had been made by rebinding C-n to a [new?] > command `next-visual-line'. It used to be that "line" meant the text > between two \n's, and now its definition has become vague and mushy. There's already been such a distinction between next-line and forward-line. The "text between two \n" has always been associated with forward-line, whereas next-line was used for a mroe visually-oriented notion of line (e.g. it skips invisible text, even if it contains \n). For this reason, most (not all, of course) uses of next-line in Elisp is a bug. And for this reason as well, I don't think there's a strong motivation to introduce yet-another line-movement command. Stefan