From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Update on the Emacs release schedule? Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:54:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87vcookmxd.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1326030900 5367 80.91.229.12 (8 Jan 2012 13:55:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Carsten Mattner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 08 14:54:56 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjtD6-00005E-4K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 14:54:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40373 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjtD5-0003RI-L7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:54:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:37992) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjtD2-0003Qn-Np for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:54:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjtD1-0005Cg-Jw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:54:52 -0500 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:50793) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjtD1-0005BS-G3; Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:54:51 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q08Dsm4x009811; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:54:48 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2FB0758F7E; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:54:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Carsten Mattner's message of "Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:32:29 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4095=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4095> : streams <717875> : uri <1042983> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147484 Archived-At: >>> For the record, I use a --without-gnutls Emacs while also not >>> using Gnus, and am part of the users seeing the "leaks". >> AFAIK you're not seeing leaks, but only excessive memory use (and >> failure to return memory to the system early enough for your taste), > Maybe :). How do we define "early enough"? Hours or days? Never. It's still not necessarily a leak. A leak is when memory is lost and can never be reused again (short of restarting Emacs). Whereas IIUC your case is a situation where the memory is not lost: it will never be returned to the OS but it will be reused by Emacs itself if/when the occasion shows up. A leak manifests itself by a memory footprint that keeps on growing indefinitely even when the usage pattern does not justify any such increase. Stefan