From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-x o is moving between frames. [Was: Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers!] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 16:55:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <838sc8zqjj.fsf@gnu.org> <20201014184523.GC7651@ACM> <83y2k8y6qs.fsf@gnu.org> <20201014194904.GD7651@ACM> <83sgafy56d.fsf@gnu.org> <20201015180143.GA10229@ACM> <83wnzrwdy5.fsf@gnu.org> <20201021151945.GA19276@ACM> <20201021200438.GF19276@ACM> <83h7qmkzla.fsf@gnu.org> <20201023204257.GB5249@ACM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12803"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 23 22:57:07 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kW47T-00036o-Bv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:57:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60882 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kW47S-000711-Ex for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 16:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kW46P-000694-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 16:55:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:24701) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kW46N-0000mq-5L; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 16:55:57 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4664F8084A; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 16:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CA4B8809C6; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 16:55:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1603486551; bh=PznBNUrhsvpFP4PO2EAjRtBrNn9jnXmhh5R9DLt/YPU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=RAL1QseQgbWKgrY+9av638hRqWGcafF0sD4BM88JBDmSlvc2MTAZ3eELWUYkHpUqj n00bNtkvdRYKtSE+X6TakFk/NFbM6ffBmnpN9v2Dswyq8owaWKBWMgW2jNXAFkduy2 w1nt594oVbgt48PU90YmjpFP6p0SwggI4uDxqcYsxSDi8raw67HEutpy/9OTUK8Oqc VX78+s3iZfmSb8Pq6vS4TNcSzFuyBawNF+kXegOnlL6//vFJZ+3j3oaTv7oqgtkRb1 A3gRZVcL6Rr764mkNmxq/GbxfUOs4ABFI8N+qPcXhNAIr+4yeIVuds1bidRff9nu/a VirYnqo0V8YQw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FD21120301; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 16:55:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20201023204257.GB5249@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 23 Oct 2020 20:42:57 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/23 16:44:24 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258397 Archived-At: > (i) emacs -Q --exec "(push '(minibuffer . nil) initial-frame-alist)" ; > this creates two frames, one without a minibuffer, the other which _is_ > a minibuffer. > (ii) C-x b > (iii) C-x o can now move point between the two frames. This feels > wrong. Surely C-x o should move between windows within a single frame. I'm pretty sire this is done on purpose so you can use `C-x o` to move between the minibuffer and the originally-selected window (or other windows on that frame) just like you can with an "integrated" mini-window. Stefan