From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 11:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6617"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: David Bremner , emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 30 17:41:49 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oeI96-0001Th-TW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 17:41:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43536 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeI95-00026F-St for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 11:41:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54438) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeI0e-00057D-SW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 11:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:19884) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeI0c-0001G8-4F; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 11:33:03 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B40E14426E7; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 11:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 56C27441773; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 11:32:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1664551978; bh=cAZBQmR9KFC5kcaz/SjK6xeO033JBKraJ2CUdB9EoSU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=nbGalz4bYUCvEkEQ7Hu4me8x009n8mo8XzATG7I3a1b67EauU6/H38SHU8N6NEDXx pPtSULG0jROHIUUWauqLSF+B/mpESmw4D3xVDWRxivl3fgE82OhfRfJRPS4D6WMbW4 0I3xUJm+L73nyAVWGTTO08VNzIiiQXK1/cBmKUUMrbplv5gGIzzqp8zItb+XrwY3iN x4T+0C0qdAobZGYVNmb3CKVcF85KIy66c8Xx+jX1lWyRfWDhaGzAQkL/yi2H4aO6wM woMbWki7yae//Vzdt6a7ocrgYB4KPY4I3iMVL2KfrJ4EeiFWm7BDFQoeMgdGZ3HHOT tjpHJtJFBXDLA== Original-Received: from pastel (65-110-220-202.cpe.pppoe.ca [65.110.220.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B7D31208EF; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 11:32:58 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:56:56 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296522 Archived-At: >> Some additional byte compilation happens at package install time. [ BTW, In Rob's case, we're talking about installation via Debian's `dpkg`, i.e. system-wide installation of ELisp packages, which also causes the .el files to be byte-compiled for&by the currently installed Emacs binary. ] > This is what I'm asking about: what exactly triggers the compilation? > Just installing a package shouldn't do that, only loading it into > Emacs should. Byte-compilation does load files (not the one being compiled, but many others, starting with `bytecomp` of course), so it can trigger native-compilation of some files (including some of the files being byte-compiled, if they `require` each other, which is very common). Stefan