From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/package-vc has been merged Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 14:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <164484721900.31751.1453162457552427931@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <831qqg1306.fsf@gnu.org> <874jvcowzm.fsf@posteo.net> <83y1soypvx.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1song5x.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8nsyof7.fsf@gnu.org> <87leoond7l.fsf@posteo.net> <83r0yfzz01.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkpjyx3p.fsf@posteo.net> <83bkpjynmj.fsf@gnu.org> <87iljqya44.fsf@posteo.net> <8335auzo9s.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgd2ws8z.fsf@posteo.net> <831qqezkxj.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1slgq3m.fsf@posteo.net> <87bkpgfsqv.fsf@posteo.net> <87educ9fei.fsf@posteo.net> <8735as9cfb.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20154"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 09 20:54:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1osr9M-00050I-Nx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 20:54:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osr8f-0006FD-8a; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 14:53:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osr8d-0006Eq-3r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 14:53:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1osr8N-0007sg-Ol; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 14:53:30 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 010E880796; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:53:14 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E4CE480258; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:53:03 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1668023583; bh=Pont0uDGrQYy/od3maVNt2XnzePO0bXIoIJjtxRipPY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=aWP8c4MXiTfjnNWF2MxsoAd8pEGlJ7EQu+Qi/8zyfl3tAw1Zez6WTd2DZ2asrcPwk HRuxVpXoWYkb4mpBatxs+lwptFZ+vqa7PQcaqzDJzOnDPatVcBdzA9qMPl6mhmlLLV 31tZ3+N+H5fFQ6yUu/GFcMIhKSGJC2hVDY9CV8hm5Ju3BQOTPWMStdHE+46WYTg1/6 1jQR3GAFrat9k/eyCFl8jz45119v7KszTsRQzdRj83tB3YGcbGoY61PDiV7BziGvdR 5RD4e+bsYaFF4dkUuqLUB5K/f4qt1KrlCvAczgvvkNNdLsdIy4GW+Xlx4hQCFlto/w 9/X8RdWWVnh0w== Original-Received: from lechazo (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CEDD2120A2F; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:53:03 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <8735as9cfb.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Wed, 09 Nov 2022 19:04:56 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299427 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic [2022-11-09 19:04:56] wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >>> I have made :lisp-dir a general property of a package description. This >>> might be set in package-vc when generating the -pkg.el, but in >>> principle any (non-vc) package could make use of this to indicate a >>> subdirectory where lisp files are stored. For now this is something >>> that will probably only interest package-vc. >> >> Hmm... but if a package does that in an ELPA archive (i.e. the >> `:lisp-dir` thingy appears in the `archive-contents`), then this package >> will not be installed correctly when installed with an older >> Emacs, right? >> >> IOW, it's an extension of the ELPA protocol. > > Strictly speaking yes, but without any specification it is hard to say. > All this is intended as is an extra field that is stored in a package > description file. > > Do you have any other suggestion that could be implemented to solve the > immediate problem that package-vc has (lisp files are located in some > sub-directory and we want to avoid loading package-vc during > initialisation). I don't understand the problem you're trying to solve: package-vc already has access to this `:lisp-dir` info and it can generate the autoloads file on its own, so I can't see why `package.el` would need to know about it. >> I do think it's getting time to update the protocol based on the >> experience gained over the last 10 years, but I'm really not convinced >> `:lisp-dir` is a good addition. >> >> E.g. a thing I'd find more interesting would be to let the tarball provide >> its own -autoloads.el (which is in charge of adding whichever >> lisp-dirs it wants). > > That sounds like a better idea. But for `package-vc` that's already the case since it has complete control over how the `-pkg.el` and the `-autoloads.el` are generated. Stefan