From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: raise-frame doesn't work in Fedora Core 4 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:48:28 -0500 Message-ID: References: <45478595.5090306@swipnet.se> <87wt6e7o7s.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <853b927nyd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1162486280 3346 80.91.229.2 (2 Nov 2006 16:51:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kenichi Handa , Masatake YAMATO , Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Katsumi Yamaoka , "Jan D." Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 02 17:51:17 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GffmC-0002TH-H9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:50:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GffmB-0006Qs-Ux for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:50:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gffk9-0004EO-V8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:48:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gffk5-00048G-VN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:48:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gffk5-00047t-Pp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:48:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [132.204.24.67] (helo=mercure.iro.umontreal.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gffk5-0003xt-29; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:48:37 -0500 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A10E2CF02A; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:48:36 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866A83FE0; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:48:28 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 774AC6CAB6; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:48:28 -0500 (EST) Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: <853b927nyd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Thu\, 02 Nov 2006 00\:21\:30 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:61615 Archived-At: >>> (and if the reason has to do with input-focus, I'll need more info >>> to understand what's the relationship with raise-frame). >> >> If you really want to know the answer, the logical thing is to ask >> at wm-spec-list@gnome.org (to post to that list you need to >> subscribe at wm-spec-list-request@gnome.org, or subscribe to the >> no-traffic list post-only@gnome.org). If you want to summarize the >> situation and ask the folks there, that'd be great. >> >> (Though my money is on "misfeature needed for some odd reason"; I >> think we should just apply the patch if it demonstrably works, >> especially since it shouldn't have any harmful effects.) Maybe not "harmful", but it does change the semantics since it fiddles with focus. > Yup. Emacs central is just not the place where we want window manager > bugs tested and reported. It's better for our reputation and nerves > if we just pass the buck. It is a lesson I keep getting as a project > manager. You don't get points for insisting that another program > should follow its specs when nobody else does. Agreed. I'm not opposing the patch, I just want to make sure that we pass along the fact that there's a bug, and the patch should include a comment to the effect that it's a workaround for a bug in window-manager , version . Stefan