From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:13:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <86lk5f4fjb.fsf@timbral.net> <87ejb7babz.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fcod6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87ablvb4om.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fb3ym.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <8763wjb0nk.fsf@xmission.com> <864pc2tyw0.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86zltuqsmn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203610474 31816 80.91.229.12 (21 Feb 2008 16:14:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Evans Winner , Jason Earl , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 21 17:14:54 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSE4N-0005mP-9p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:14:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSE3r-0004XP-Tg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:14:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSE3n-0004Wx-De for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:14:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSE3l-0004WD-SQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:14:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSE3l-0004WA-Qd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:14:09 -0500 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSE3i-0006zs-5O; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:14:06 -0500 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (vpn-132-204-232-204.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.204]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m1LGE8MG004342; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:14:08 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id EFD53B41A8; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:13:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <86zltuqsmn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:41:20 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered BAYES_00=-2.5, HAS_X_HELO=0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89835 Archived-At: >>> I am suggesting that having a usable mark should not imply an active >>> region. But that is more or less the premise of transient-mark-mode. >> I don't understand in what way TMM requires or enforces that "a usable >> mark implies an active region". > It may be mitigated with mark-even-if-inactive, but that is rather > recent development. Well, everyone is entitled to his/her own interpretation of "recent", but 1993-06-30 Richard Stallman (rms@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu) * simple.el (mark-even-if-inactive): New variable. that's around the same time transient-mark-mode sows up in the ChangeLog files, so I presume it was introduced at the same time (I know I discovered/enabled it "soon" after enabling TMM, but that "soon" may span a year or two). >>> (and temporary transient-mark mode is really a life saver: >> Thank you ;-) > The thanks are on my side. It was somewhat of a nuisance not to be able > to use active-region commands, but the price of regular tmm-mode was > simply too high. What do you think of making C-M-SPC (and a few other such mark-* commands) turn on temp-TMM? Stefan