From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Problem with building Emacs diagnosed. Help please! Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:13:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20080802101239.GA3890@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217787253 20997 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2008 18:14:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 03 20:15:03 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KPi6h-0002tx-8N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:15:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53892 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPi5l-0003k0-Vx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:14:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPi5g-0003jn-Ga for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:14:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPi5e-0003ja-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:13:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57593 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPi5e-0003jX-F8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:13:58 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:40401) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KPi5b-0001U7-6L; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:13:55 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (vpn-132-204-232-21.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.21]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m73IDpGk013563; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:13:52 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B5372B404F; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:13:50 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20080802101239.GA3890@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:12:39 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3073=0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102004 Archived-At: > As far as I can make out (in .../lisp/emacs-lisp/autoload.el), when the > autoload processing is done, the order in which elisp files are processed > is random (for some value of "random"). IIRC there's some effort to try and keep it lexicographically ordered, but IIRC it's not 100% reliable. > So having elisp files set up so > that they depend on the processing order is a Bad Thing. Agreed. And relying on the lexicographic ordering is not a good idea either. > However, given that we've passed the deadline for new features, I would > like to revert that change for Emacs 23, removing `eshell-defgroup' so as > to firm up the build process. Sounds good to me. > Maybe, at some stage, we could introduce a new construct, something like > ;;;###autoload-requires eshell.el > , but my gut feeling is that this would be unnecessary complexity. Agreed. > What do people think? Thanks for tracking it down. Stefan