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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivano@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: multi-threaded Emacs
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:26:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvr64uz442.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87abbiody1.fsf@master.homenet> (Giuseppe Scrivano's message of "Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:32:22 +0100")

> I attached a small patch that enables basic threads in Emacs; it is just
> a proof of concept and not usable yet, my goal was the execution of the
> elisp code I included at the bottom.
[...]
> It is a prototype and the code is not very clean, still a lot of work
> must be done in order to have working threads, but I think that have a
> multi-threaded Emacs worths this effort.
[...]
> What do you think about?

I agree that multithreading is a worthwhile goal, even tho it's going to
be a long ride.  It involves several problems:

- handling thread-specific data: gcprolist, mark_byte_stack, and things
  like that.  You've tackled this one.  I don't find your solution very
  elegant, but I can't think of a much better one, unless pthreads does
  provide some kind of thread-specific variables.  I guess the only
  improvement is to put those vars together, so we have an array of
  structs (that then contain gcprolist, and mark_byte_stack fields)
  rather than several arrays.  And then define `gcprolist' as a macro
  that expands into "thread_data[current_thread()].gcprolist", so as to
  reduce the amount of source-code changes.

- dynamic-scoping: your handling of specpdl is naive and
  fundamentally flawed.  For multithreading, we will have to completely
  change the implementation technique of dynamic-scoping.

- synchronization to access all the global variables/objects.
  You haven't yet have time to tackle this (other than in `put', it
  seems), and it's going to be difficult.

- concurrent GC (later to be refined to parallel concurrent GC ;-).

- redisplay in its own thread (later to be refined to one redisplay
  thread per terminal, then per frame, then per window ;-).

A first step will be to restrict the implementation such that there's no
parallelism: only one thread executes at any given time (i.e. have
a single lock and have all thread grab the lock before doing any actual
work).


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-29 20:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-29 13:32 multi-threaded Emacs Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 20:26 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2008-11-29 21:01   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 22:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 11:35       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:46         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:25           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 23:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:30               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01  3:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 22:50           ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-07  3:31             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-29 22:06   ` Tom Tromey
2008-11-30 16:43 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-11-30 17:34   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:51     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:10       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 22:20     ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 23:09       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:09       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01  0:10         ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-01  3:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 14:06     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-01 18:57       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01 20:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 22:41           ` joakim
2008-12-02 16:02         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-02 22:22           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 22:41             ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03  2:17               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-03 18:26                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03 20:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05  2:59                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05  7:40                       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-05  8:20                         ` Miles Bader
2008-12-05  9:42                           ` Paul R
2008-12-05 10:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-05 10:35                               ` Paul R
2008-12-05 11:02                           ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-05 15:39                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05 16:22                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-05 16:57                             ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-06  4:41                               ` Miles Bader
2008-12-06  7:44                               ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-06 22:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06  8:30                         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:36                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 19:25                         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-06 22:41                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 23:41                             ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-07 20:51                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 23:51                                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08  3:06                                   ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-08 15:50                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:02                             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-07 20:52                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:15                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08 18:26                             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-08 19:49                               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-09  2:15                                 ` dhruva
2008-12-09  2:49                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-09  2:53                                     ` dhruva
2008-12-09  9:36                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-12-09 17:26                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:10                                   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-11  1:59                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 14:41                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 18:30                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 18:42                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 19:01                                               ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:53                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-12 19:03                                                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-13  3:08                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 19:07                                         ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05  2:59                   ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 23:10             ` Florian Beck
2008-11-30 22:17   ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 16:44 ` Richard M Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-03  7:59 Re[2]: " ak70
2008-12-04  8:45 ` Richard M Stallman
     [not found]   ` <87prk8mhg9.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
     [not found]     ` <E1L8ZUB-0002x3-VT@fencepost.gnu.org>
2008-12-05 13:27       ` Li Lin
     [not found]         ` <87prk64ilv.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
2008-12-05 18:37           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-06 21:58             ` Magnus Henoch
2008-12-04 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier

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