From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:06 -0500 Message-ID: References: <03A2EC54153A4BB1AAE5AF2D2E2B7264@editkapc> <87aaz3jgkp.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4AF1D60C.6080005@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1257368246 25955 80.91.229.12 (4 Nov 2009 20:57:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: grischka , emacs-devel@gnu.org, joakim@verona.se, Miles Bader To: Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 04 21:57:19 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N5mus-0007z8-K0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:57:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58542 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N5mus-0004Ai-6X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N5mun-0004Ac-7R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N5mui-000471-Rs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50608 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N5mui-00046o-MU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:08 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:46623 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N5muh-0005uT-98; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:57:07 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIFAON58UpMCpQ+/2dsb2JhbACBT90qhD0EhQiDbw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,682,1249272000"; d="scan'208";a="48703947" Original-Received: from 76-10-148-62.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.148.62]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2009 15:57:06 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5F9689941; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:57:06 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4AF1D60C.6080005@swipnet.se> ("Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv=22?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?'s?= message of "Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:29:16 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:116645 Archived-At: >> - Can we locate a thread with the discussion of scrolling with the >> gtk developers? > Started here AFAIK: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2003-03/msg00555.html Note that the problem is more common than just Gtk. So for example some of the discussion around Xaw3d (before the release of Emacs-21) is probably relevant as well. In any case, given how widespread the problem is, it's clear that we can't expect the toolkit to adapt to Emacs. And since nobody has found a way yet to make Emacs DTRT, all we can do is provide various workarounds, which is what we've done until now. But what I suggest is that instead of each toolkit backend providing its own workaround, we should implement the workarounds in the generic code and even implement several of them and let the user choose which one suits him best. Stefan