From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen. Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20091118191258.GA2676@muc.de> <20091119082040.GA1720@muc.de> <87aayitvoy.fsf@wanchan.jasonrumney.net> <87ocmyf6so.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258683395 26325 80.91.229.12 (20 Nov 2009 02:16:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jason Rumney To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 20 03:16:28 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NBJ2u-00075z-Vm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:16:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40094 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBJ2u-0003sz-0r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:16:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBJ2p-0003s1-29 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:16:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBJ2k-0003rE-G4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:16:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46085 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBJ2k-0003r9-DF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:16:14 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:19128 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBJ2i-00022Y-8z; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:16:12 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEACeLBUvO+IIa/2dsb2JhbACBTtRGhDsEgxOGXA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,774,1249272000"; d="scan'208";a="49711251" Original-Received: from 206-248-130-26.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.130.26]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2009 21:16:11 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6114A89A7; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:16:11 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87ocmyf6so.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:12:23 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117316 Archived-At: >> many strings start as unibyte even though they really should start >> right away as multibyte. > That seems the fundamental problem here. > It seems better to make unibyte strings something that can only be > created with some explicit operation. Agreed. As I said earlier in this thread: We should probably move towards making all string immediates multibyte and add a new syntax for unibyte immediates. -- Stefan