From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: visual-line-mode tweaks Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:27:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87d40ldd2z.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265297482 10482 80.91.229.12 (4 Feb 2010 15:31:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 04 16:31:15 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd3fm-0001ze-J6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:31:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44875 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd3fm-00017u-0h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:31:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd3cX-0006Gl-PQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:27:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46494 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd3cW-0006Fg-Uw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:27:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd3cV-0001nI-P1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:27:52 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:44210 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd3cV-0001n2-57; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:27:51 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArsEAMd2aktFpaN9/2dsb2JhbACBM9YehEwEimY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,405,1262581200"; d="scan'208";a="55313754" Original-Received: from 69-165-163-125.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.165.163.125]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 04 Feb 2010 10:27:48 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A27DDB4270; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:27:48 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87d40ldd2z.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:06:12 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120902 Archived-At: > I think it's fine if minor modes _interact_ in some way that helps the > user, but I think such interaction should be dynamic (so for instance, > if I turn visual-line-mode off again, auto-filling should once again be > enabled; one could do this by saving previous state or whatever, but > that gets messy and flaky). Messy and flaky and indeed some of the words that come to mind. > How about having auto-fill-mode be a nop when visual-line-mode is > enabled (so the change would be to auto-fill-mode instead of > visual-line-mode)? That just moves the problem. I'd rather live with the current situation where the problems are a logical consequence of the user's configuration rather than the result of magic DWIM behavior. Stefan