From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:47:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87wqgr4v18.fsf@yandex.ru> <53064BD0.7070009@yandex.ru> <87ha7tr5bo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ppmhecd8.fsf@yandex.ru> <87y50z90pd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87txbn8r6x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8338j717oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjlf6tdx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83sir7yue7.fsf@gnu.org> <8761o3dlak.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87txbld5kr.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87sir5ejl6.fsf@engster.org> <87lhwxd202.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87d2i95z2z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393469287 2737 80.91.229.3 (27 Feb 2014 02:48:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 27 03:48:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WIr1C-0007n4-0F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:48:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44111 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WIr1B-0005ph-Ie for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:48:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51132) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WIr11-0005pb-IO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:48:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WIr0u-0007P9-97 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:48:03 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:41985) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WIr0m-0007OB-HZ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:47:48 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFpaMk/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFpaMk/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDiGGcGYFegxU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="48854811" Original-Received: from 69-165-163-36.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.163.36]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 26 Feb 2014 21:47:47 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CDC2F6011F; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:47:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87d2i95z2z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:44:04 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169901 Archived-At: > Time to go back to Scheme. At least it isn't hard to ask the "compiler" > about identifiers. No need to even think about plugins and similar. BTW, one of the points mentioned in this thread is the difficulty of correct refactoring in the face of metaprogramming, and indeed for Scheme, the same problem can appear with macros (tho hygiene helps a bit). Stefan