From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug#766395: emacs/gnus: Uses s_client to for SSL. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175932 Archived-At: [ OK, last message in this offtopic thread. ] >> > I consider contributions to security technology and policy[1] >> > defense of freedom. >> Note that in the context of "secure"boot, digital restrictions >> management, and other tivo-ized systems, that same technology is >> clearly being used against freedom. > There's nothing wrong with things like secure boot systems provided > they're fully under the control of the user. In theory, maybe I could agree. But so far I haven't seen any use of secure-boot that helps the user's freedom rather than harms it. > Yes, the same technology has multiple uses, both pro and anti freedom, > but that's true of all sorts of things, including computers in general. My point exactly. > (I'll point out that given that the NSA "Ant Catalog" includes a bunch > of BIOS-inserted malware and other load-time infection > techniques. Secure booting is actually a priority for ordinary people. How would secure-booting protect the user against BIOS-inserted malware? A Free BIOS would seem to be much more useful/effective for that purpose. Stefan