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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Network security manager
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:31:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvr3x1pwkp.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fvdhkgtf.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 17 Nov 2014 10:06:04 -0500")

TZ> I don't know how complicated it will be internally, but I don't think it
TZ> will endanger any existing functionality (except TLS connections, of
TZ> course).  The only reason for it in 24.x is to add reasonable certificate
TZ> handling so we can turn on certificate verification by default.  I don't
TZ> think it can be done otherwise without seriously damaging the user
TZ> experience.

The issue is that if we have a 24.5 release, I want a very short pretest
phase, so such changes need to be "obviously safe".

One way to do that can be to make the changes conditional on some config
var, which stays disabled by default.  So random users will use the old
code and those who care about security can enable it at the risk of
helping us fix bugs.

> BTW, I proposed using emacs-24 3 weeks ago in the thread "removing SSLv3
> support by default from the Emacs GnuTLS integration (was: Bug#766395:
> emacs/gnus: Uses s_client to for SSL.)" you can find here
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-10/msg00936.html

I don't know the underlying issues well enough.  But it doesn't sound
"obviously safe" either.  I'd rather just follow gnutls's own defaults.


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-17 17:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 265+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-17 12:46 Network security manager Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 13:56 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 13:59   ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-17 14:04     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 14:17     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 14:21       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 15:00       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 15:06         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 17:31           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2014-11-17 18:06             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 15:22         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:04           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 18:55             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 16:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 16:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 14:00   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 15:19   ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-17 15:24     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 15:29       ` Kelvin White
2014-11-17 15:38         ` Kelvin White
2014-11-17 18:49         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 18:58         ` Rob Browning
2014-11-17 19:07           ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-18  8:52             ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-11-18 14:54               ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-17 22:53         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 23:16           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 23:26             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:19               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 23:51           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 14:41             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 14:57               ` Rasmus
2014-11-18 15:01                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:44                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-18 19:48                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:03               ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-18 15:10                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:23                   ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-18 15:17               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 15:30                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:40                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:45                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 16:04                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 19:49                     ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-18 19:53                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:55                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:17                         ` David Engster
2014-11-18 21:28                           ` David Engster
2014-11-18 21:54                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:47                     ` N. Jackson
2014-11-18 21:07                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:29                         ` N. Jackson
2014-11-18 21:36                           ` David Engster
2014-11-18 21:55                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:02                               ` David Engster
2014-11-19  0:05                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-18 10:12           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 15:10             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 15:29               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:58                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 16:15                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 16:35                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 16:41                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:00                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:23                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:28                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:40                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 17:57                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:43                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 17:54                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:08                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:13                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:18                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:29                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:40                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 19:19                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:22                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 19:26                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 19:24                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-18 20:40                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 20:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 23:02                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 23:31                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19  8:37                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:17                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 11:23                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:46                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 21:11                                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19  7:39                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:51                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  2:09                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19  3:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 13:40                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19 13:51                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 14:45                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:30                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:36                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 15:47                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:53                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 16:12                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 16:12                                                             ` EWW buffers Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-19 16:17                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 17:10                                                                 ` bug#19109: eww-setup-buffer: use set-buffer instead of switch-to-buffer Ivan Shmakov
     [not found]                                                                   ` <m3r3wznli0.fsf@stories.gnus.org>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <87sih9u4pa.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net>
     [not found]                                                                       ` <v2tx1p4syz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-11-23 19:35                                                                         ` mailing control@, but requesting that no replies be sent there Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-24  0:22                                                                           ` bug#19109: " Glenn Morris
2014-11-24  6:50                                                                             ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-24  7:13                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-24  5:00                                                                           ` bug#19109: " Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-19 22:27                                                               ` EWW buffers Stefan Monnier
2014-11-20  6:47                                                                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-21 12:16                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:56                                                     ` Network security manager Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 22:23                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-20 16:22                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-20 23:34                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-21  8:10                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-21  9:24                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-21  9:40                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-21 11:12                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-21 10:36                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-21 13:30                                                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-21 15:05                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-21 15:02                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 18:30                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:41                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:42                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:22                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:28                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:36                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:44                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 18:10                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:09                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
     [not found]                     ` <87egt0792y.fsf@echidna.jochen.org>
2014-11-18 17:28                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  4:31                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19  5:43                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19  8:44                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:09                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 11:19                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:41                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 11:50                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 12:11                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 14:16                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  8:46                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:50               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:06                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:10                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:54                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:57                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:13                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:18                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:54                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  6:03                               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19  8:55                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 12:05                                   ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-11-19 12:17                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 12:26                                       ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-11-19 12:29                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 19:53                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 19:59                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 20:23                                             ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-11-23 20:36                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 20:41                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 22:24                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 22:30                                                     ` joakim
2014-11-30 13:38                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-30 22:29                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01  3:10                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19 14:35                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 16:33                                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19 16:38                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 21:00                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:23                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 19:45             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:33               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:37                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:37               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:57                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:03                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:13                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:22           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 15:33             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:03           ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-18 17:17             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-18 17:41               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-22 10:27           ` Steinar Bang
2014-11-17 16:57   ` Romain Francoise
2014-11-17 18:30     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18  8:29       ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-18 15:49         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 16:01           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 16:24             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:21               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:25                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:28                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-22  5:24             ` emacs-dynamic-module in Emacs Git? Stephen Leake
2014-11-22 15:49               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-22 17:12                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-22 23:28                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-23 10:38                   ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-24  1:19                     ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-25 10:05                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-26 17:05                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-27  2:10                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-27 15:38                             ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-27 15:45                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-29 17:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29 17:45                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 14:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-30 15:42                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 18:09                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01  0:44                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01  3:41                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 10:31                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 13:45                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 14:10                                             ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-01 14:47                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 15:04                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 15:36                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 16:28                                                   ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-01 17:05                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 22:46                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-01 17:44                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 19:40                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 20:19                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-02 21:22                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-04 20:40                                                           ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-05  1:02                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-05  2:43                                                               ` Ivan Andrus
2014-12-10  0:53                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-11 15:49                                                                 ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-11 14:35                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 19:12                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 22:42                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-02  1:16                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-02  3:29                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 16:21                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 13:59                               ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-01 16:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 22:58                                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-02  3:33                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03  9:27                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 13:57                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 17:41                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02  3:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02 17:58                                       ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-02 18:09                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 10:04                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 10:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-03 21:11                                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 17:56                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 19:05                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 16:07 ` Network security manager Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 18:58   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 19:05     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 19:37       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 19:49         ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-17 20:00           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 20:31             ` Óscar Fuentes

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