From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:08:12 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429172739.GB4002@ACM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="68351"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Jonas Bernoulli , Emacs developers , Philippe Vaucher , Adam Porter , Kyle Meyer , Eli Zaretskii To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 30 03:08:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTxh5-000Hgx-LT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 03:08:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50254 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTxh4-0002Sa-OO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:08:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52466) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTxga-00023G-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:08:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTxgZ-00034F-Qe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:08:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:56169) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTxgY-00033o-Ck; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:08:18 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1B5BB4506EC; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6DC13450256; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:08:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1588208894; bh=eZuAmRHrY3RCmsa7ugBeg8Gy2ki9w1Ogtf4xZHtZh6o=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=JEbiiLFcT146sckV+vPUBg8tA3YXJauzb7M7AM1B8O0vw9LIjYIatb8+UprMd/i+h HigQRGum0ohRAzvIw9kyWch24ji2+R981LcLw6FNHTs1eNq2b1ctzj/pT7M8BLpBit 5eqCzxeyf3b6SwtXJJ5yhuei4ZFj3/GxcQfj+qo4F8uZh8sRYib7vfc7SfNB8VjWJr PJy71MoNtmuAH3PNMP37bbO4IPRu54+NS4RwQWtI/pwpxYGyb0eT7TexYsd46YGGvj xP5cTtYEzIWqlFLWZxI4FT8Um4qF3njvmy9ZKQJjrogJguPU/cO8+pR6q3J7AdL5L5 QpG56015Qu8Eg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB254120455; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 21:08:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20200429172739.GB4002@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:27:39 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/29 21:08:16 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248193 Archived-At: Hi Alan, > I understand your central point only too well. You want to impose > bucket-loads of work, disrupting Emacs development, bloating out code, > making it more difficult to read and understand. And all for what? So > that the very occasional trip to a manual by a newcomer can be spared? Wait.. is that snow I see outside? Stefan