From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 11:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de> <838sicw4do.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhaqu89z.fsf@gnu.org> <83sggiu2p9.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1w2s9wi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9leqmss.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhapoz63.fsf@gnu.org> <83k11tou72.fsf@gnu.org> <83sggfoli0.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="94868"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 04 17:16:05 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVcpB-000OZh-B6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 17:16:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48514 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVcpA-0003qJ-Ab for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 11:16:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57372) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVcnw-00025P-Bz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 11:14:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:24470) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVcnu-0007ZR-Gp; Mon, 04 May 2020 11:14:47 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 88A84100419; Mon, 4 May 2020 11:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id BA24D100229; Mon, 4 May 2020 11:14:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1588605282; bh=2rxN03A+xQ75b4z/Nq6Qz02ZOdxIEGWHhZRVfC6q6Oc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=JB1z3LkYjY8EoA+EYC8CoZaNhf3Q7UqjcqvhdC3zNGvDgATESPFkNyLXeZDdtvXLx +8vmg0fL/FsBUNQRAxnY6Tfgm4bbPcIKKKqZnSg11oNwVXK/uqGiyiC0LgKzlZXOL6 o60paDUZvgXTJXkyDmiBoL/P+n3it+3xS+qvb1vSn+CsyaEHBqx+ykBPC3a27owvIe rYzoNL24NUyN66Jt9rj0SlX+HdfxEBT1p6liHlYsT5WmEsWMUHpmOPMHAsz1TvfPs0 OFOkCzcth5CpJbfTvOb6ZqC6oi+gRBmycb219MkXFkPXKFJoSgl5tiI0gsrsLh3txT lvJMXrmKR5fcA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 356E81206B5; Mon, 4 May 2020 11:14:42 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83sggfoli0.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 04 May 2020 16:52:39 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/04 11:09:38 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248840 Archived-At: >> >> The documentation satisfies a different need. This discussion is not >> >> about replacing the manual with something else. >> > Not the manual, the help commands. >> >> Neither one nor the other. Nobody is talking about *replacing* anything >> (other than replacing some names with others, admittedly ;-) > > Not entirely accurate. The proposal is to replace (or, rather, add) > some names that will allow users to discover APIs using completion, > instead of using Help commands, which were designed for this job. Right, replace some names. Not replace the manual or the help commands with something else. It might make it possible for some people to resort to the manual and help commands a bit less often, but that doesn't mean it will replace them, just like the refcard doesn't replace the manual, or eldoc doesn't replace the help commands. Stefan