From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "whether the global keymap C-x 4 will be replaced by a command," Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:09:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83ft9woo68.fsf@gnu.org> <87wo377wxp.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> <87wo353f77.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87o8ofoy9o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <874kq41kaw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <874kq3ma55.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3751"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 20 05:10:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jxMCW-0000sl-Hl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 05:10:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48976 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jxMCV-0000Lh-8v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:10:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46852) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jxMBv-0008Hq-5D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:10:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:18296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jxMBr-0004tn-Ox; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:10:09 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E02FC4404AB; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 72C0E44022E; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:10:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1595214604; bh=JUXdrXGDmlMaFQKvWVxOhQ40s2dk50bO4JxrWk0tr94=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=C1Teq68+w0zbHJRgdlOBpZfRaao+Os0TGwC/QrLKG8eCzRyc5cJeTibD+1aPbeKXR Ud0a/34xnAWsRYm07khukQ18yTSGJwGRA/J/2mrLTOCr3TKUs2Lju7XfHDj4O4KFC1 XRhxhKPTUNsODy+nxUmYs5s5uU81lfjTj29NivOyUxWLgNvYbhIbnRIXtZwIh8Eayo 8lAVUEZlicejWNeOQ4K7YGJvdkf9HzeL1sZ7eeaVqefFHCs9Ljnb6U95bm8ZuOniUe mDbggHG29mHsYpreSNdEOXBj65hkLOtzs27PqepN+lPVqN5lVxWO4fVoczDTjMBUhT LiAf9X2NLGYdA== Original-Received: from milanesa (65-110-214-117.cpe.pppoe.ca [65.110.214.117]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19C9F120634; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:10:04 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <874kq3ma55.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Mon, 20 Jul 2020 01:07:34 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/07/19 23:10:06 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253120 Archived-At: >> In `other-frame-window` this is done via `ofw-transient-map`. > `C-x 4` could fall back to `ofw-transient-map` when `C-x 4` is > followed by an unbound key that has a binding in `ofw-transient-map`. > Otherwise, when there is no binding in the `C-x 4` keymap, > and no binding in `ofw-transient-map` then the key sequence > could be followed by a global binding. I don't understand how that's different from how `ofw-transient-map` is used in `other-frame-window`. > But such fallback currently is impossible to implement because > `[remap t]` doesn't work in `ctl-x-4-map`. Tried with: > > (define-key ctl-x-4-map [remap t] 'other-window-prefix) `other-frame-window` uses `set-transient-map`, not [remap t] (which indeed is basically unusable, at least not without introducing weird corner cases). And of course, it would still suffer from the same problem of how to make `C-x k` return the command bound to `C-x 4 C-f` or to `C-x e e e`. Stefan