From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:21:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87o8ls1vvq.fsf@posteo.net> <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1156"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 15:22:25 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbIv-0000Fg-FB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:22:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44782 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbIu-0004R1-II for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:22:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36348) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbIP-00040B-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:21:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:40028) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbIM-0006Yf-L2; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:21:51 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4C0221006CA; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DBCE910022E; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:21:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1602422507; bh=uOJVgUz4UAB7qSTfseW3+A1F1MfRvj/VsB45woIArQ4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=TojLd5Lyrx1Fd8AoR22jhS1AR/3aOQm9EXVI1h6L3AVCVKXmjQVlKX+6hIMu/MA0G pZ5hZWE2tiT9oiU8pzLrig1CYNuJDq0qW+1XtdOnlr4cjKU4S3XR4arQPQv30RAFB1 H6w9P8H8Zf6fz40KDmqNf3hXb+E2Vn7We/pWXMpsgT5Uw3UE0oPr609SCRgBJh8hZT wZmsGLe7z7hwhWcpromp25hl6sNpEn1ZjZWSZMfr8PUtvrJTG2TUgS1H5yfeLzQusG TlaJ+TLrzOOzHDvxdjD1F9q8zb2PL1OTdOTOfzEOmO08wosYuuTgiHAV03byI5/Zwb HKVT+NpUnUzWQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80ACE12018F; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:21:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:28:22 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 09:21:49 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257360 Archived-At: >> (defface mode-line >> '((((class color) (min-colors 88)) >> :box (:line-width -1 :style released-button) >> + :inherit variable-pitch >> :background "grey75" :foreground "black") FWIW, I've been using pretty much exactly that for quite a few years now. I did it mostly to save space, and the main downside for me was that the `*`s "don't look right" (they're shifted up compared to my monospace fonts), but I overcame this trauma without too much trouble. > We cannot just switch to variable-pitch font and leave the rest unchanged. > Using a variable-pitch font will cause an annoying horizontal movement of > the mode-line stuff when some parts change. Never bothered me even a tiny bit. It's the kind of thing that annoys me when it happens right where I'm editing, but apparently the modeline is far enough. Stefan