From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:21:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87o8ls1vvq.fsf@posteo.net> <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <87lfgahtcw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87o8l51mh3.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16786"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 14 15:22:59 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSgk3-0004CE-D5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 15:22:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46298 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSgk2-00065X-FL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:22:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45602) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSgj3-0005Ku-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:21:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:54903) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSgj1-0004bi-0d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:21:52 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 203E8809C6; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C139180D35; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:21:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1602681707; bh=TGYngUOQKmbd5F/aPX5OgYowRNSTlRPl9TIi0V/sn3c=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=UKdXhCUu1O6i2IKLz4mKy3U0/70FDlGe1l/bbBHpqdkVp07nJ5VTu22mRYddQFEHd vfkxdtB/UDNnOUe73nxA1v7Q2vwARIMYjJzDTHkpQY9avL1PhsDPIun+iN3OrsB25W XK48spQmooHaWF5t38QijuRMRhmt7mCuxrKa6u0UUiSHoGF9oUPqd5l9FEq3TACEzs 3Ji7mLDvOSVMDcBKTNbroE4Hun2TZVbQZl1szmP4Gk3clD6n1H/mRWipUaUvD9enPC pDhqPh+02IdrAUS0AL4NduuEUne3n7auYrwFVPlX680sRVJvFfcOWwZDlBWv26ZfIY gGK2/ThAnjhXA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9178112009D; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:21:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87o8l51mh3.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:05:12 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/14 09:21:49 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257628 Archived-At: >> I tried this, and the mode-line looks much nicer indeed, >> but this improvement is unusable because the mode-line jumps >> left and right when the buffer is saved, the cursor is moved, etc. > Do you use a variable-pitch font that has different widths for the digits? The jumps come from the difference of width between the numbers and the SPC char. Stefan